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Brainwashing about America borders on propaganda
Irish Independent ^ | October 6, 2002 | Eoghan Harris

Posted on 10/06/2002 1:55:11 AM PDT by Happygal

ACCORDING to an Irish Times/MRBI report, a majority of Irish people would not support the United Nations if it authorised military action against Saddam Hussein. That means Saddam can be as bad as he likes and Ireland will oppose attacking him.

For practical purposes that means we are on Saddam's side. Against the Kurds, as well as the Shias and Sunni parties of his own country who are crying out for war against Saddam and his evil regime. Which I find pretty sick.

As with Germany in the 1930s, ordinary people should not bear all the blame. Most of the blame belongs to the public intellectuals who have been brainwashing us against so-called American aggression for the past 10 years.

The biggest of the brainwashers is the Irish Times itself. Apart from Kevin Myers, almost every columnist drips a steady dose of anti-American sentiments into our already distended veins. Take Miriam Donohoe who wondered why her 12-year-old son was "displaying some strong anti-American sentiments". Now where could he have picked them up?

But this is baby talk beside Fintan O'Toole's fulminations. It seems to me that a public intellectual should throw himself across the path of a popular public bandwagon, not whip up the horses and hammer the facts into the ground. That is what O'Toole did in his last article on America and the war, which was headed 'Our monster good, their monster bad'.

As a polemical piece it stops just short of propaganda and settles for special pleading. Wish I had the space to quote it in full, to subject it to close reading, and to show what a slipshod piece of work it is. But in an effort to be fair I gave it to three third-level students (who strongly oppose an American attack on Saddam) and asked them what impression the article left on them.

They said it left them with two distinct impressions. First, that Donald Rumsfeld had flown to Baghdad on December 17, 1983, with a blank cheque from President Reagan. (In the article O'Toole quotes Howard Teicher, the State Department official who accompanied Rumsfeld, "Here was the United States Government coming hat in hand to Saddam Hussein and saying 'we respect you, we respect you, how can we help you'.")

It seems to me the students were victims of what I call selective omission. Since O'Toole gave no context, of any sort, for Rumsfeld's visit, the students were left with the impression that the United States had sent him to Baghdad from pure badness. What O'Toole does not tell us is that on the day that Rumsfeld flew in, Iraq had been at war with Iran for almost three years, that Syria still occupied Lebanon, where 241 US marines had recently been killed, and that the USA needed Saddam on side.

The reasons Rumsfeld and Reagan supported Saddam against Iran ranged from regional stability to revulsion against the regime of the fundamentalist Ayatollah Khomeni, whose revolutionary tribunals in Tehran were murdering democrats and modernisers. Back then most liberals were firmly on the side of Saddam's secular state against the Ayatollah's religious fanatics.

The second impression the students got was that America had supplied Saddam with nuclear weapons. O'Toole never says so straight out, but that is the impression left by what I call covert conflation. Referring to a nuclear reactor called the Osirak reactor which he fails to tell us simply and clearly was French, not American, he creates a cloud around America in relation to Saddam's nuclear programme.

"When UN inspectors went into Iraq after the last Gulf War they found that programme to be well advanced. Western leaders knew all about this for the very good reason that their countries were up to their necks in it. As the late lamented American comedian Bill Hicks put it: 'How do we know Saddam has weapons of mass destruction ? We looked at the receipt'."

See how the sentences slide from "Western leaders" to the American comedian, Bill Hicks using the word "we" as if it referred to America? Since O'Toole has never told us flatly that Osirak was a French reactor, it is not surprising that the students felt the article was saying America had something to do with supplying nuclear weapons to Saddam and was consequently hypocritical to make it a cause of war today.

There is another conflation. Consider the following paragraph and ask yourself (a) if O'Toole makes it completely clear that Osirak was a French reactor or occludes that fact by talking about Chirac "supplying materials" as if Chirac were some minor contractor, and (b) if the way the first sentence, followed by a strong non sequitur sentence, creates the impression that Reagan and Bush and not the French were the nuclear suppliers of Saddam.

"The Osirak reactor was known in France as Ochirac because Jacques Chirac, then French Prime Minister, now President, supplied the materials and technology for its construction. The Reagan and Bush administrations in the US in the 1980s pursued a conscious, consistent policy of arming Saddam so that he could become the regional guardian of US interests."

Fintan O Toole's September 24 piece seems to be sourced from a Newsweek article of September 23, whose highlight ("America helped make a monster") echoes O'Toole's title as does the general argument that follows. Newsweek also features Howard Teicher's tittle-tattle. Neither Newsweek nor O'Toole tells us that Teicher left his State Department job in a huff and so is a hostile witness.

Newsweek however comes to a different conclusion. "America's past stumbles, while embarrassing, are not an argument for inaction in the future". Since we apply the same forgiving law to Sinn Fein in the Northern Peace process, why not to America?


TOPICS: Editorial; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bias; media; propaganda
If there is one arrogant journalist on this island that I can't stand, it's Fintan O'Toole (the chattering classes of Dublin 4 can keep him) :-)
1 posted on 10/06/2002 1:55:11 AM PDT by Happygal
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To: MadIvan; aculeus; Incorrigible; TEXASPROUD; dighton; jla; Mudboy Slim; Landru; schmelvin; LBGA; ...
Media bias alert ping :-)

And happy Sunday to all of you too.
2 posted on 10/06/2002 2:00:46 AM PDT by Happygal
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To: Happygal
Fintan O'Toole is an idiot that's why he works for the Irish Times.

An Irish Times/MRBI report is pure propaganda to support the liberal position of the Irish Times, and for no other reason.

3 posted on 10/06/2002 2:03:31 AM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001
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To: Happygal
I was considering a vacation (aka 'holiday') to the UK including Ireland perhaps I'll rethink that idea.
4 posted on 10/06/2002 2:07:23 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Texas_Jarhead
I was considering a vacation (aka 'holiday') to the UK including Ireland perhaps I'll rethink that idea.

Well, do what you must. However, if you do come, don't buy the Irish Times, it will turn your stomach and put you off the 'good Guinness' ;-)

5 posted on 10/06/2002 2:25:07 AM PDT by Happygal
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To: Happygal
no, no seriously

Is anti-Americansim running high in the general population? I was hoping you could provide me with a better picture of the general attitude. I don't care to spend my vacation $$$$ somewhere where I might not be welcome. I don't get a very good impression because you folks mostly post negative articles. Educate me a little please.

FReegards
6 posted on 10/06/2002 2:30:32 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Happygal
Thanks Happy1.

I'm left feeling all fuzzy & warm after reading this.
Yea; just knowing our Leftists are very much like your Leftists shows how alike we really are, huh.

...just one - big - happy commune. ;^)

7 posted on 10/06/2002 3:24:17 AM PDT by Landru
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Well as you are very well aware, living in the US, media bias prevails...You will find a very different attitude amongst readers of the Sunday and Irish Independent that those who read the (very much in financial trouble) Irish Times.

If you want me to tell you there is no anti-American feeling in Ireland. I couldn't. Same way as you cannot tell me that there isn't anti-American feelings within your own country.
But certainly what the Irish Times prints does not accurately or adequately reflect the feelings of the entire Irish population.

In fact, many people in Ireland are grateful to the US for their investment. (My own brother is a fund accountant for an American company here in my home town).

But if you want to go to a country on vacation where there is absolutely NO anti-American sentiment, I suggest you by-pass Europe completely.
8 posted on 10/06/2002 3:41:52 AM PDT by Happygal
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To: Landru
Yea; just knowing our Leftists are very much like your Leftists shows how alike we really are, huh.

Remarkable isn't it? Stupidity knows NO boundaries :-)

9 posted on 10/06/2002 3:42:42 AM PDT by Happygal
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To: Happygal
thanks for your feedbak. Pretty much what I anticipated.

"But if you want to go to a country on vacation where there is absolutely NO anti-American sentiment...

I'm not sure I could even leave my house if that were the criteria. I just wanted a general sense. I've been to France - won't go back. Been to Norway - no reason to go back. The krouts can kiss my ass! (no offense my German FReeper in arms). So I was thinking Italy or the UK. FReegards
10 posted on 10/06/2002 3:51:35 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Happygal
One of my brothers-in-law is from Dublin. He must read the Irish Times.
11 posted on 10/06/2002 7:31:18 AM PDT by wimpycat
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To: Texas_Jarhead
My hubby and I visited Ireland and Scotland a little over a year ago, and I highly recommend it. The people were warm and friendly. I didn't detect any hostility or blatant anti-Americanism coming from the average Irish "man on the street", (though reading some of their newspapers could cause your jaw to drop). I'm not sure how much things have changed, since we visited just prior to 9-11-01. Happygal could tell you about that better than I could.

If you do go to Ireland, the Ring of Kerry is a "must see"; Ireland's got some of the most beautiful countryside in all the world. And, Scotland "ain't too shabby", either.

12 posted on 10/06/2002 8:17:46 AM PDT by schmelvin
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To: Happygal
"You will find a very different attitude amongst readers of the Sunday and Irish Independent that those who read the (very much in financial trouble) Irish Times."

I knew there had to be some great "news" lurking below the horizon just outa sight, concerning this rag.
Could honestly *sense* it!
Now I know.

We've already determined Ireland's Liberal-Socialist media shills share much in common with America's Liberal-Socialist media shills; and, they remain consistent in their commonalities.
We discover Ireland's Liberal-Socialist media shills don't give a tinker's damn about turning a profit anymore than their Yank comrades.
Certainly not concerned when said profit gets in the way of their executing the communist-socialist Utopian agenda this ilk embraces.

I'd lay odds it's not their money these Irish Utopian dopes are hemorrhaging, too.
Well, that one's a gimme whenever talking about Liberal-Socialists -- regardless their nation of origin -- anyway, eh.

"But if you want to go to a country on vacation where there is absolutely NO anti-American sentiment, I suggest you by-pass Europe completely."

HA!!
So, I presume I may add one more attribute to your ever-growing list of charming talents?

....stand-up comedian. ;^)

13 posted on 10/06/2002 2:01:08 PM PDT by Landru
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To: Happygal; Texas_Jarhead
But if you want to go to a country on vacation where there is absolutely NO anti-American sentiment, I suggest you by-pass Europe completely.

I must concur with the lovely Happygal. There are always going to be freaks and lunatics no matter where you go, and some will direct their irrational hatred against the USA. It is the way of the world. I believe you even have such folks within your borders.

Do not let that deter you from visiting both Britain and Ireland however.

Regards, Ivan

14 posted on 10/07/2002 3:00:04 AM PDT by MadIvan
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