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To: Who is John Galt?; Ramius
Get ready for the 'Big Ream' from the D*mocrat-anti-gun lobby...

Well if the right wing is going to be as unhelpful as some of you sound, it will be our fault if the dems win on that count.

Look people, there is a guy out there killing random people walking out of stores and putting gas in their cars, and it is on the national news. We can't defend ourselves against that, and you are damn right it scares people. It should.

This is exactly the kind of crime that will take our guns away, because it isn't just the bad risk-taking people getting killed this time, it is anyone. If our 2A spokespeople (and we are in public now, so we count) are smart we would be out giving as much helpful information to the FBI and the media as we can.

I for one wish them the best of luck in catching him/them quick, before they do any more damage... I think this is a weird time for us to get all kooky and paranoid. If we don't look like we want this guy caught, then who are we?

Ramius, Ping.

20 posted on 10/05/2002 4:40:32 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hey, you make some good points, but it could work just the opposite. Terrorists simply cannot make the big boom work more than once every few years, at best. What better way to terrorize people than small "wins"--like this. Many people have predicted this sort of thing for a long time. If our gov weren't so damned politically correct and stretch for the white male every time, U.S. citizens will eventually figure out for themselves that there is no one to protect them but themselves.

Maybe the country will arm up.

24 posted on 10/05/2002 4:45:30 PM PDT by jammer
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To: HairOfTheDog
This is exactly the kind of crime that will take our guns away, because it isn't just the bad risk-taking people getting killed this time, it is anyone. If our 2A spokespeople (and we are in public now, so we count) are smart we would be out giving as much helpful information to the FBI and the media as we can. I for one wish them the best of luck in catching him/them quick, before they do any more damage... I think this is a weird time for us to get all kooky and paranoid. If we don't look like we want this guy caught, then who are we?

As do I. But the way for that is for sherrif, or police, to call out the posse, the same folks who constitute the militia. Put a trained and practiced shooter on the roof of shopping malls and other likely targets. Put a cop, although you might have to settle for a reserve officer or even a National Guardsman in some cases. That's the way these guys will be caught, it's also what the Israelies do, they've also taken to arming kids too young to be called into military service, and letting them man checkpoints. Such an action would also cut down on "normal crime too of course, whereas using only police will divert them from investigating or responding to such more normal crimes and probably lead to an increase in such crimes.

However in these oh so "sensitive" times, using armed civilians is the last thing those in government, at all levels, are likely to do, at least in the oh so sohpisticated area around DC. If it were out here in fly over country, especially outside the major urban areas, there would already be posses out beating the bushes and defending the vulnerable places.

28 posted on 10/05/2002 4:56:10 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: HairOfTheDog
"If we don't look like we want this guy caught, then who are we?"

When did I ever indicate that I didn't "want this guy caught?" Hmmm? Please be specific. Having taken an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, I must ask: which clause of the Constitution allows the Federal government to restrict firearms ownership?

Again, please be specific.

;>)

35 posted on 10/05/2002 5:17:29 PM PDT by Who is John Galt?
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To: HairOfTheDog
Look people, there is a guy out there killing random people walking out of stores and putting gas in their cars, and it is on the national news.

He's putting gas in their cars???!! Where did you hear that?

Just kidding.

I don't think anyone here doesn't want the sick people involved caught, tried and executed, no matter who it is. I hope it isn't someone who claims to support the Constitution, flies a Southern flag, homeschools his kids, claims to be a Christian, and reads the Bible, because then someone has given emotional ammunition to my enemies by associating himself with the worldview of me and many others. Of course, I hope its a Commie, or at least an atheist like Tim McVeigh. I think that's what's at work here - people here at FR know that a pathetic news source like the UK Independent would LOVE for it to be someone they can associate with us. But you're right, even if he (or they) is all those things I listed earlier, I hope they catch them, try them, and execute them for gunning down innocent people.

But to demonstrate how inaccurate this article is - the man is already in custody, and not a suspect. I would expect a white supremacist (what does it mean he was associated with a "militia?" Which is it?) to randomly shoot people, but it appears this is not the man. It IS interesting that they were looking for him, though. I wonder what the reasoning was.

51 posted on 10/05/2002 6:12:21 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: HairOfTheDog
This is exactly the kind of crime that will take our guns away, because it isn't just the bad risk-taking people getting killed this time, it is anyone.

Who's to say that such was not the goal?

60 posted on 10/05/2002 6:20:18 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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