White racist [Robert Gene Baker III] hunted after sniper attacks [in Maryland]

UK Independent ^ | 6 OCT. 2002 | Andrew Gumbel

[John Lenin]

No comment until they catch the Real culprit. He is a suspect and at this point thats pretty thin evidence.

[yarddog]

I don't think I have ever heard Oswald described as a pro-Castro Communist by anyone in academia or the media. If you ask them point blank, I guess they would admit he was but I have heard probably hundreds of comments about the attitude of white Southerners being responsible for the climate that allowed the assasination to occur.

The fact that someone (I doubt very much it was the FBI) is pushing the idea that this guy was a suspect can only harm the investigation. The reason being that there is no evidence at all to link him to these crimes from the information which has been published. It clearly is an attempt to slander conservative Southerners who are all "right wing militia nuts" in the eyes of the media. This kind of thing is extremely harmful to finding who the real killers are.

BTW just a couple of days ago, I heard a guy named Howard Morris as quoting Andy Griffith as saying "those damned Southerners" after the Kennedy assasination.

[Vince Ferrer]

"It could be military, it could be a hunter, it could be someone... who has an interest in weapons," he said

A criminal, maybe?

[OldFriend]

Baker was arrested and deemed not a suspect.......for whatever that means. He does have an outstanding arrest warrent from Florida for a stolen car.

[HairOfTheDog]

Well, I am sitting up here in leftist Washington state, and I can tell you that everything you just said sounds new to me. Castro and Oswald just go together. I have never heard him associated with the south in any way... You may have your filter set too sensitive, or you have been impacted by something isolated that you saw that is not everywhere. But at any rate... I guess it really isn't the subject... You probably didn't mean to start a sub-thread on the issue.

On topic, there is something about this that says it is not out of the question the culprits are on some freaky fringe, could be our freaky fringe, could be someone elses. It actually could be militia types doing this, I don't see a conspiracy against conservatives if the media postulates about it. They have the means a the motive. It isn't out of the question, is it? Now. How can we help the situation?

[OldFriend]

Last press conference I watched, Mr. Moose looked like he was thinking of shooting some of the media hacks. They were beyond rude to him.........lol.......he was not amused.

[marktwain]

Our reactions are important. If we want to keep our guns, we must support law enforcement in catching bad guys. First. Enthusiastically. Honorably. Then maybe we won't look like the same thing as a bad guy to the average Mom in tennis-shoes.

I think you are being hoplessly naive. I havn't seen anything but enthusiasm for catching the bad guys. What I have scene is sophisticated understanding of how the OldDominantLiberalMedia creates images to demonize white males. How we look to the average Mom in tennis-shoes has very little to do with what we do, and everything to do with how the OldDominantLiberalMedia sterotypes us.

Fortunately, this is changing as the OldDominantLiberalMedia is losing market share every day, and more and more people are relying on the internet for news. I don't watch television anymore. Why corrupt the data stream?

[Who is John Galt?]

"Many on this short thread have already expressed more fear and loathing of gun control advocates or uninformed media, than support of the FBI in finding the menaces that are doing this."

That is because we know there is an election upcoming in Maryland, and we've seen this all before. Some wacko shoots someone, and the D*mocrat running for office at the time uses the tragedy as an excuse to disarm law-abiding citizens.

"Where are the exclamations of hope that he is caught quickly? The calls to keep our eyes out? - The Amber alert mentality? Where are the attempts to help correct the media on what the proper terms for describing the weapons are? - They don't know, so tell them. We need to be helpful is all."

My grandfather was a police officer, and several of our best friends are police officers. When LEOs are working, we (my wife and I) try to stay out of their way. Hope is fine - but if I can't provide substantial help, I prefer to stay out of the way & let the LEOs do their job.

By the way, I own what some might describe as a .223 sniper rifle (it works great on rats). Do you think I should:

1) Ask my local law enforcement agency to stop by and check it out (even though I live over a thousand miles from the crime scenes), or;

2) Sell it, or;

3) Feel guilty, to make the Liberals and D*mocrats happy?

;>)

[yarddog]

I don't think you have the slightest idea of what you are talking about.

Lee Harvey Oswald was born in New Orleans. He was in fact a Southerner so I am surprised you have never heard him associated with the South. It is just the fact that his ideas were very unSouthern which never gets mentioned.

I don't think my filter is set too sensitive, in fact I don't even use one. As I said just a couple of days ago there was a program about the Andy Griffith show and one of the people interviewed went out of his way to comment on Griffith's having blamed the South for the assasination, of course the fact that Griffith was a Southerner was supposed to make the statement even stronger. He didn't bother to point out that if Griffith had made such a statement it was really stupid.

[HairOfTheDog]

Just because they may be out to get ya' doesn't mean you are not paranoid!

It takes salesmanship to change views. We (gun owners) have a sellable position, and victimhood ain't it. Call me naive, but I change minds when I talk to moms in tennis shoes... I talk about their vulnerability and their protection. And I am a normal looking chick who doesn't blame them for having fear or preconceptions about guns. I take them shooting, and they end the day on my side. I have done that many times over.

I don't think being hyper-sentive if this guy might be a right wing militia dude will win any votes to our side. If you think the media is selling a bogus image of us and them being the same thing, then work to dispel it, is all I am saying.

[agrandis]

Look people, there is a guy out there killing random people walking out of stores and putting gas in their cars, and it is on the national news.

He's putting gas in their cars???!! Where did you hear that?

Just kidding.

I don't think anyone here doesn't want the sick people involved caught, tried and executed, no matter who it is. I hope it isn't someone who claims to support the Constitution, flies a Southern flag, homeschools his kids, claims to be a Christian, and reads the Bible, because then someone has given emotional ammunition to my enemies by associating himself with the worldview of me and many others. Of course, I hope its a Commie, or at least an atheist like Tim McVeigh. I think that's what's at work here - people here at FR know that a pathetic news source like the UK Independent would LOVE for it to be someone they can associate with us. But you're right, even if he (or they) is all those things I listed earlier, I hope they catch them, try them, and execute them for gunning down innocent people.

But to demonstrate how inaccurate this article is - the man is already in custody, and not a suspect. I would expect a white supremacist (what does it mean he was associated with a "militia?" Which is it?) to randomly shoot people, but it appears this is not the man. It IS interesting that they were looking for him, though. I wonder what the reasoning was.

[FreedomFriend]

This is more than likely LIES, intended to carry out an agenda (More gun control legislation?)

THE BATF IS CORRUPT.

[agrandis]

LHO went to the same highschool my folks went to in Dallas, TX, too.

[HairOfTheDog]

I don't think you should do any of those things! - Jeepers!

Hopefully someone who knows these guys will come forward soon... That is our best shot. Until then we are all postulating how this situation fits into our politics, and that seems odd to me. It is a criminal act... not a political one. They haven't turned it into a gun control argument yet, but we have. Why are we doing their work for them? We are dang lucky it is a rifle and not a handgun... handguns would be easier to grab than deer rifles, relax!

[banjo joe]

My money's on Richard Jewell (sp?)

[FreedomFriend]

It's obvious that they're likely going to use this for evil means.

[FreedomFriend]

That's got CIA written on it.

[HairOfTheDog]

It IS interesting that they were looking for him, though. I wonder what the reasoning was.

*TOTALLY UNVERIFIED SPECULATION by HOTD* One report hinted at a current or ex wife/girlfriend who phoned in a tip about her guy being capable of this.... Don't know if this is the same guy.

[agrandis]

I think the two men in the truck were Richard Jewell and that dude who mailed the anthrax (according to Ashcroft and the FBI).

[FreedomFriend]

This is exactly the kind of crime that will take our guns away, because it isn't just the bad risk-taking people getting killed this time, it is anyone.

Who's to say that such was not the goal?