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Interview / Vicious circles closing in
Ha'aretz (Jerusalem) ^ | 4 October 2002 | Micha Odenheimer

Posted on 10/04/2002 7:43:24 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt

A journalist, human rights activist and intellectual, Thomas von der Osten-Sacken is considered one of Germany's leading authorities on human rights in Iraq. He began traveling to Iraq in 1991, when he spent eight months doing humanitarian work in the southern part of the country just after Saddam Hussein crushed the Shi'ite uprising there. In 1992, Von der Osten-Sacken co-founded an aid and advocacy organization called Wadi, operating in Iraqi Kurdistan - the semi-autonomous safe haven carved out for Kurdish refugees after the Gulf War - and on behalf of Iraqi refugees in Germany. He spends part of each year in Kurdistan where Wadi has founded the first shelter there for women in distress and is also involved in helping the local government reform the prison system that has been left over from Iraqi rule. In Germany, Wadi advises Iraqi opposition groups and works closely with the Coalition for a Democratic Iraq.

Von der Osten-Sacken, 34, publishes articles in German magazines such as Jungle World and Konkret, and has co-edited a book on Iraq called "Saddam's Last Battle?", which is due to be published next month. He is one of the relatively few contemporary German writers and thinkers on the left who consider themselves pro-Israel and have developed a left-wing critique of the anti-globalization left in today's Europe. Along with his other activities, he is conducting research for his doctoral thesis on German-language Zionist newspapers in the 1930s for the German literature department at the University of Frankfurt.

Thomas von der Osten-Sacken: "The most regressive and dangerous elements in the Arab and Islamic world depend on Saddam Hussein."

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretzdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: democracy; iraq; kurds; saddam; shiites
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It's a long read, but worthwhile. Here we have a lefty, who gets it. He also has some interesting first hand reports from Kurdistan and from the Shia Arab south of Iraq. Shia's make up 60% of the Iraqi population. There's also some explanation for why George Bush stopped the war in '91 and left Saddam in power.
1 posted on 10/04/2002 7:43:24 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt
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To: Jabba the Nutt
BTTT
2 posted on 10/04/2002 7:05:46 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt
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If you want on or off Israel/MidEast/Islamic Jihad ping list please let me know.  Via Freepmail is best way.............

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3 posted on 10/06/2002 2:58:01 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Jabba the Nutt
It's a long read, but worthwhile. Here we have a lefty, who gets it.

So we have a Lefty in Hitchens who gets it from England. We have this dude from Germany. Anyone like this in France?

4 posted on 10/06/2002 3:06:04 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: dennisw
Sleepers, Hmm.
That is an interesting phrase you used.
5 posted on 10/06/2002 3:15:45 PM PDT by grammymoon
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To: grammymoon
me jerk, wrong thread, sorry.
6 posted on 10/06/2002 3:16:55 PM PDT by grammymoon
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To: dennisw
Thanks for the ping. The whole article needs to be read, it is fascinating. Thomas von der Osten-Sacken is a Marxist, and the only one I've ever read with great insight and a good deal of common sense, no doubt due to his active work in Iraq, Syria, etc.
7 posted on 10/06/2002 4:30:33 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Jabba the Nutt; Travis McGee; EternalHope; Mitchell; Nogbad; Fred Mertz
Really fascinating interview. Thanks for posting.
8 posted on 10/06/2002 7:56:30 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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"American policy in Iraq is a series of huge mistakes. Firstly, it was a mistake to support that horrible regime in the 1980s knowing, for example, about the massacres against the Kurds. Secondly, it was a huge mistake not to let the Iraqi people topple Saddam in '91. The Americans feared democracy in the Middle East, they feared the breakup of Iraq because it would strengthen Iran, so they allowed Saddam to crush the uprising.

Very interesting interview. Exellent post.

9 posted on 10/06/2002 9:07:29 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Very worth reading.

If this guy is right, our problems with Germany are just beginning.
10 posted on 10/06/2002 9:14:06 PM PDT by EternalHope
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This is an insightful article.

I thought the following remark was of particular interest:

"Also, the Germans are quite afraid of the archives in Baghdad and what they tell about the poison gas and other weapons deals that were made between Iraq and a lot of German enterprises."

11 posted on 10/06/2002 9:38:09 PM PDT by Mitchell
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Germans are quite afraid of the archives in Baghdad and what they tell about the poison gas and other weapons deals

I can remember years back, when the West German govt (as it then was) denied that they had sent the materials for chemical weapons to Iraq. However, it came out that they had, so Chancellor Kohl apologised and said - oh yes, we did after all.

A person I knew who was a political activist on Middle East causes said - The Germans have a way with gas, don't they?

I remembered that, because I thought it was a nice line!

12 posted on 10/06/2002 9:46:14 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: Mitchell
This is an insightful article.

Well it was, up to a point.
Then he began to quote, with favour, Rosa Luxembourg, and I couldn't continue.

My God! There are still such people around?

13 posted on 10/06/2002 10:06:44 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Mitchell
Thanks very much for the ping. It is a very good article.

I'm surprised I find myself agreeing with a marxist, but I do. He makes sense.

I'm fed up with myopic leadership...

14 posted on 10/06/2002 11:00:14 PM PDT by keri
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To: keri
BTTT
15 posted on 10/07/2002 8:14:07 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Nogbad
My God! There are still such people around?

Although it's hard to believe, I guess there still are Spartacists and Trotskyites and various other kinds of misguided Marxists.

Regardless of this person's political views though, I thought the article was worthwhile reading. It wasn't at all the typical warmed-over Marxist rant.

Some of these issues have very little to do with a left-vs.-right dichotomy. One's views on terrorism, Iraq, etc., are not necessarily correlated with one's place on the political spectrum. There are some on the left (far fewer than in the past, however) who are thoughtful regarding security issues.

In fact, it is a bit surprising that so many on the left have turned into apologists for terrorists. I think that part of the problem is that their other views have been so demonstrably discredited that one has to ask why someone would remain there. The reasons for remaining in the left are generally a hodgepodge of intellectual dishonesty, emotional rebellion for its own sake, and a nostalgic living in the past; this is sometimes combined with pure power politics. People with that lack of foundation generally have very little interesting to say. But this lack of foundation is not universal; there is some intelligent commentary from those on the left, and I wouldn't want to maintain otherwise.

16 posted on 10/07/2002 9:42:08 AM PDT by Mitchell
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17 posted on 10/07/2002 9:42:41 AM PDT by Mo1
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I'm surprised I find myself agreeing with a marxist, but I do. He makes sense.

That was my reaction as well, keri.

I'm fed up with myopic leadership...

I'm encouraged by the defense policies enunciated by such people as Rumsfeld and Cheney. On the other hand, the apparent lack of accountability for performance on the part of the FBI and the CIA is very troubling.

18 posted on 10/07/2002 9:45:33 AM PDT by Mitchell
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I'd say it was a chilling line.

Only time will tell where much of the world really stands.

19 posted on 10/07/2002 9:48:00 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: dennisw
bttt
20 posted on 10/07/2002 10:00:54 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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