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Terror link to Maryland shootings? Experts divided whether killing spree work of al-Qaida
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, October 4, 2002

Posted on 10/03/2002 11:45:15 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

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To: backspace
I was wondering, too, if one of the murders was done to kill a specific victim, and the others might have been done to try to obscure the motive.
81 posted on 10/04/2002 6:08:55 AM PDT by mewzilla
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for anyone who mightn't have seen it,
this thread has been running since the sniping news broke yesterday ...
82 posted on 10/04/2002 6:10:01 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: mewzilla
At this point any senerio is probable. I would only suggest that this incident as a cover-kill, as you put forth, would be quite extravegant considering the 12 hour lapse from WED PM to Thurs AM. I'm just saying that killing for the average white suburbanite is very stressfull. This 12 hour break gave the shooter time to feel guilty if it WERE a typical murded suspect and obviously he is not typical. That 12 hour break means something and the fact that he stoped killing means something too.
83 posted on 10/04/2002 6:16:44 AM PDT by backspace
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To: backspace; All
FWIW.A FReeper on another thread said he had seen a theory that the shooting locations on a map could be construed as an arrow pointing to DC.
84 posted on 10/04/2002 6:19:05 AM PDT by Free Trapper
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Yes, your average deer hunter could do this. So could the average military "marksman." However, the part that makes me think this is someone with some more advanced training is this: I have the training to do this, but I don't have the nerve.

I remember seeing my first deer. I had a bead on it, but my heart was pounding so hard and the adrenline rush was so intense that I screwed it up. I was about 15 at the time. I've gotten better.

I've been around people who have fired in anger and they demonstrated the same intensity (I know its different...)but the basic physiological symptons were there.

This was one focused, intense, young man.
85 posted on 10/04/2002 6:21:23 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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Now the police/authorities are asking citizens to call them and turn-in anyone they know that owns rifles.
86 posted on 10/04/2002 6:21:48 AM PDT by dakine
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To: Free Trapper
I noticed that map too. Looks like he backtracked. Was he going back to observe his handiwork? Would a trained terrorist go back to observe the scene? I honestly don't know if he would or not.
87 posted on 10/04/2002 6:23:38 AM PDT by backspace
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To: dakine
You're joking, right?
88 posted on 10/04/2002 6:27:21 AM PDT by GnL
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Nope. Heard on radio about 15 minutes ago.
89 posted on 10/04/2002 6:27:55 AM PDT by dakine
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Do you suppose this LEO could be in line for a passenger screener gig at Reagan National?


90 posted on 10/04/2002 6:28:41 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: dakine; harpseal; Travis McGee; SLB; Squantos; Dan from Michigan; aristeides
Are you serious???
91 posted on 10/04/2002 6:29:31 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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What exactly did they say? They want info on anyone that owns any type of rifle? That sounds a bit over the top, but I wouldn't put it past them.
92 posted on 10/04/2002 6:29:39 AM PDT by GnL
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To: Hatteras
"ok lady, whats under the moo-moo!"
93 posted on 10/04/2002 6:30:32 AM PDT by backspace
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Honest officer, I was just on my way to the tent sale to pick out a new outfit!
94 posted on 10/04/2002 6:32:29 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Vermont Lt
Once a person commits himself to his own death for a higher cause (in his own mind) a great,almost unbelievable peace and calmness can take over.

Buck fever has nothing on a person that's committed himself in this way.

95 posted on 10/04/2002 6:33:06 AM PDT by Free Trapper
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To: Fred Mertz; dakine; Travis McGee; SLB; Squantos; Dan from Michigan; aristeides
I would like more details please.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - yorktown
96 posted on 10/04/2002 6:33:48 AM PDT by harpseal
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Why all this "detail" and no info of the "ballistics." AK-47 rounds?
97 posted on 10/04/2002 6:36:44 AM PDT by sam_paine
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To: Fred Mertz
Lady authority being interviewed said, it was a .223.

The interviewer asked, "What if I know my neighbor down the block has a 30.06, do I still call in?"

The lady said that you should still call because "You don't what other assault rifles he might own."

98 posted on 10/04/2002 6:37:13 AM PDT by dakine
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To: dakine
That is just plain stupid. But not unexpected in MD.
99 posted on 10/04/2002 6:39:39 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: sam_paine
223.

WBAL Radio News

Police Narrow In On Shooter And Weapon

October 4, 2002

Montgomery County police say they are "90 percent" certain that a high-powered hunting or assault-type weapon was used to shoot five people killed over a 16-hour period.

Whether one or many weapons were used, however, was still undetermined, police said.

Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose said Friday that officers, meanwhile, were chasing down about 150 credible leads as they look for a "skilled shooter" suspected in the rampage that began Wednesday night. Four of the victims were killed in little more than two hours Thursday morning, police said.

Moose said the shootings appeared to be linked.

"We feel fairly comfortable that it is connected and being done by a single entity, whether that is one or two people," Moose said on NBC's Today Show.

None of the victims appeared to have been robbed, and police said race did not appear to be a motive. The victims were Hispanic, white and a cab driver from India.

"There's still no information to lead us to think our victims are associated," Moose said. "They don't appear to be anyone's enemies, just random targets."

Moose said police were responding to a flood of calls by frightened residents about loud noises resembling gunshots, but that no shots had been fired Friday morning.

"We're all human, we're all afraid," Moose said at a press conference. "I'm on edge, people in the community are on edge... We're responding, we're following up."

Officials are "90 percent sure" a high powered .223 round is being used, said Capt. Nancy Demme, a Montgomery County police spokeswoman.

Demme said detectives were still waiting for results from autopsies.

Police released types of weapons they believe could have been used, mostly semiautomatic rifles. Moose said handguns are also made to fire that caliber. He asked people to report any missing weapons.

Officers collected security camera videos from businesses near the shooting scenes, including two grocery stores. They also set up a tip hotline and offered a reward of up to $50,000 for information leading to the arrest and indictment of the suspects.

When asked about a video surveillance tape from the parking lot where the Wednesday night shooting occurred, Moose said it was being reviewed, but wouldn't discuss specifics.

Montgomery County schools are open, but outside activities were expected to be canceled again Friday, Demme said.

Moose said officers would be out in force, patrolling the area.

A single shot apparently was fired at each location, but it is unclear whether the shots were fired from a vehicle or at what range, police said.

"We do have someone that so far has been very accurate in what they are attempting to do, and so we probably have a skilled shooter," said Moose.

Police said they did not have any eyewitnesses to the shootings, but one person reported seeing a white van with two occupants speed from the scene of one shooting.

On Friday morning, police continued to search for white trucks and vans in the area. No stolen vehicles were reported, police said.

"We don't have a license plate," Moose said. "We feel like the one we're looking for is still out there."

Gov. Parris Glendening committed 140 state troopers, a helicopter and whatever additional aid is needed, a spokesman said.

The FBI, Secret Service, and ATF also were involved, and officers were stopping all white cargo vans in their search for the killers, police said.

The killings began early Wednesday evening. Around 6 p.m., James D. Martin, 55, of Silver Spring, a program analyst for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, was shot in the parking lot of a Wheaton grocery store.

Around 7:45 a.m. Thursday, James L. "Sonny" Buchanan, 39, Arlington, Va., was killed while cutting grass at a car dealership in the White Flint area. He stumbled toward the building before collapsing as dozens of employees ran toward him.

"I just put my hand on his shoulder and said, 'Help is on the way,"' service director Al Briggs told The Washington Post. "But he was already gone."

Prenkumar Walekar, 54, of Olney, was shot about 8:15 a.m., while pumping gas into his cab at a Mobil station in the Aspen Hill area.

About a half-hour later, Sarah Ramos, 34, of Silver Spring, died at a post office next to the Leisure World retirement community in Silver Spring.

Dolores Wallgren said she saw Ramos slumped over on a bench, bleeding from the head, when she arrived to go to a beauty shop nearby.

"She was sitting on the bench, just sitting there," Wallgren said.

In the fifth shooting, Lori Ann Lewis-Rivera, 25, of Silver Spring, was shot and killed about 10 a.m. at a Shell gas station in Kensington. Mechanics said they heard the shot but didn't see who shot Lewis-Rivera, who was vacuuming her van.

Late Thursday, someone placed two small lit candles and a bouquet of carnations on the concrete base below the vacuuming machine.

The killings brought the number of homicides in Montgomery County to 25 this year, the most since 1997.

The last time as many people were killed in one day in the county was in July 1995, when a handyman's assistant killed podiatrist David Marc Goff, his three daughters and a contractor at Goff's home in Potomac. Bruman S. Alvarez pleaded guilty and was sentenced to six consecutive life terms.

100 posted on 10/04/2002 6:45:53 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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