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Terror link to Maryland shootings? Experts divided whether killing spree work of al-Qaida
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| Friday, October 4, 2002
Posted on 10/03/2002 11:45:15 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: spodefly
In my novel, an ATF deputy asst director actually does the stadium shooting himself, but leaves a goofball Desert Storm mental case vet with ties to a militia group at the lair as a patsy, with "Jihad" leaflets. It's meant to look as if the "right wing militias" were trying to blame the massacre on A-rab Mooslims. Those dirty right wing militias will stoop to any level! The scum!
Of course, the ATF deputy asst director gets a large increase in the budget for his special anti domestic terrorism team, etc.
It's all about misdirection, media, sheeple, and the "wilderness of mirrors."
To: Joe Hadenuf
But someone's gotta do it...
The money doesn't go to those ATMs on its own.
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posted on
10/04/2002 10:25:44 AM PDT
by
hchutch
To: Travis McGee
One way of tightening the noose on a determined random shooter would be for people to keep video cameras at hand. If you hear a shot, you tape averything within 360 degrees of where you are and turn it in. If we have a number of people trying to do this we will catch the shooter on tape.
You might think that this would be very dangerous to the person with the camera but I think not. The shooters M.O. is to take the shot and then move. They won't be hanging around to take second shots but moving fast. The camera can then catch them fleeing. The shooter depends on the chaos in the aftermath of the shot to escape. Taking a tape of the scene just after a shot can then be vital.
Just as many armed citizens can make it difficult for criminals, in this case, many citizens armed with video cmaeras can catch a shooter. I don't think that attempting to return fire on a shooter will be helpful though because it much too likely that the armed citizen will be confused with the shooter. The additional chaos only helps the shooter even more.
My guess is the shooter is a professional terrorist. Perhaps even the same one that pinned down a bunch of Israelis a couple of months ago...
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posted on
10/04/2002 10:26:26 AM PDT
by
5by5
To: Travis McGee
I was wondering about the "one" .223 brass found. If it's the only one found, then it's uncharacteristic of the otherwise-pristine operation. Would fit the redherring scenario you describe.
To: Poohbah
I'm willing to bet most of the eyewitnesses were within 40 feet (that's a healthy distance).What I am trying to say is that in a high density suburb such as this, most of the people in the immediate area would not be standing within 40 feet of the victim. LOL! I don't know, maybe they were.....
To: Travis McGee
How does one get your novel? ... sounds interesting, especially the motorcycle chick with the T/C ... is she dating anyone? :)
To: hchutch
Yep someones got to do it. Just not me.......
To: 5by5
You can bet the police are checking every 7-11, Walmart, parking lot, red light camera video etc taken within ten miles of the shootings VERY carefully.
Video forensics is an exciting new field with unlimited potential.
To: Semaphore Heathcliffe
It would be easy to pick up brass at the range from an A-rab looking dude, or a local off duty LEO, or whoever you want to frame, and leave it at the crime scene.
To: xsrdx
"BS - a 100yd headshot from a cold barrel is hardly "trivial" - police snipers spend many, many hours on the range to ensure they can make CNS shots at 50-100 yards every time, from supported positions using expensive rifles. And they still sometimes miss when it counts, however infrequently."
Getting a 4" group (or half that) at 50-100 yards is indeed trivial for anyone with a decent rifle and a sighted-in scope. I just bought several surplus rifles for less than $100 each, and they give 2" groups at 100 yeards with crappy open sights, cold barrel, hot barrel, and lots of dents and scrapes.
Cops may enjoy all the taxpayer-funded practice at playing para-military games, but I hope to God they aren't challenged by a 100yd CNS shot.
To: Travis McGee
I agree, with just eight or so well placed shooters, you could shut down an entire, major city for quite a while..With 20 shooters they could wreck absolute havoc
To: spodefly
I'm 99% finished, I am going to self publish and sell it on Amazon.
You can do a search on "The Raid" to find a sample chapter I posted on FR.
To: Joe Hadenuf; Travis McGee
Like I said, when someone runs a hot round (.300 Winchester Magnum, .308 Winchester, 7mm Remington, et cetera), you're more likely to hear the crack than the actual report.
Timing is another issue. You'll actually hear the crack BEFORE the report, and that will tend to confuse non-shooters to no end.
And in your typical strip-mall area, with all those hard surfaces for the sound to reverberate off of--if you ask 10 witnesses where they think the shooter was, you'll get 11 answers.
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posted on
10/04/2002 10:32:44 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
To: Joe Hadenuf
Some could be suicidal dead enders requiring SWAT, some could be Atta smoothies moving from city to city....absolute havoc.
To: Travis McGee
Just use an empty ballpoint pen refill to pick it up, and a baggie to carry it in...and your prints were never on it.
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posted on
10/04/2002 10:34:10 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
To: JohnHuang2
Before I even read this thread, this is what I thought, If there's a driver and a shooter that it was committed by male fanatical middle eastern muslim extremists between the ages of 17 and 40. Oh yeah thats profiling isnt it? To friggin bad.
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posted on
10/04/2002 10:37:05 AM PDT
by
Delbert
To: Mat_Helm
"These people are not using silenced weapons."
I don't think we know that. Inexperienced Marylanders who hear a supersonic crack of a rifle bullet might not miss the muzzle report. If Chief Wiggum (Moose) and his boys were clever, they would do a good job of interviewing the witnesses to discern whether there was the second boom after they heard the crack. Normally, for witnesses far from the shooter, but near the bullet path, you expect stories about "two shots."
To: spodefly
Here's a sample chapter I posted a while ago.
THE RAID
To: Poohbah
Regarding the report, in an article on the W%^(&*#@$^%!& Post web site, the first victim (Wednesday evening) was shot across the street from a police station. They said officers inside the station heard the bang and headed outside to see what it was. No suppression there.
To: pepsionice
I don't think it is a professional weapon, I think it is something that you or I could walk into any gunshop and buy. I do think that the firearm was used intentionaly, and that it will be used again in the very near future.
Your comment about the perp being brave and stupid ignores the fact that the LEO have no desrciption of the perp, the vehicle or anything else of value to the case. Instead, they have asked people to turn against their neighbors and friends and report to the authorities in regards to ownership or suspected ownership of .223 rifles.
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posted on
10/04/2002 10:38:42 AM PDT
by
Brad C.
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