Terror link to Maryland shootings? Experts divided whether killing spree work of al-Qaida

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, October 4, 2002

[harpseal]

They also should look at every "police sniper/swat team member from the general area. Rule them out early and then go from there but it would be a whole lot simpler if there was some identifying evidence.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

[Poohbah]

From the description of things...don't bet on evidence being there. (Look really hard, but don't get your hopes up.)

[Joe Hadenuf]

Yeah, those guys that work on ATM and armored car drivers are crazy. Can you imagine walking around with bags of money in your hand? They always have the drop on you...Suicide job in my opinion......

[Joe Hadenuf]

Could be, who knows.....I am still a little disturbed that they didn't get them yesterday during the fireworks....I would have made the bet they would have, and I would have lost big.....

[Travis McGee]

Also, don't discount the sound of round impact, such as the round that hit the window.

As shooters, we normally only hear the loud BOOM 20 inches in front of us, this masks all the other sounds. I have experience with suppressed weapons, the sound the slug makes hitting a brick wall 100 yards away from you is LOUD when you subtract most of your muzzle blast. We never even hear this, ezcept maybe a "ding" off a steel target, or a "thwack" into soft dirt.

Hit a car or wall with a bullet, it's LOUD in it's own right.

[Travis McGee]

Or it could be a fake LEO using his fake uniform to move and evade.

[Travis McGee]

Have they found any shells to ID the shoot sights and weapon? If not, the guy is smart, using a bolt, single shot (pistol) or a shell catcher on a semi.

[spunkets]

"... starting to think it was a guy mad at the world.

These guys are motivated to go nonstop. They are after a goal, and have an agenda to follow. Each shot except the last on thurs took driving time + some ~25 mins of observing. The last shot on Thurs took an extra 30 mins. They deliberately went N, stopped, and backtracked twords DC. I think that extra 30 mins was for collecting data at and around their previous 3 shootings

[Joe Hadenuf]

Have a friend you REALLY trust fire a 7.62 NATO round into a target 40 feet from you, from a shooting position 200 yards away. Tell me which was louder: the report of the rifle, or the bullet flying by.

Oh I understand that perfectly, the only problem is that some of these witnesses were across the street etc from the victims being shot. Not all the witnesses are going to be standing right next to the victim...

As a matter of fact, the majority of people in the area, I am confident were not standing on top of the victim. Just a guess......

[spunkets]

One 223 casing was reported found.

[Poohbah]

Exactly.

You get an appreciation for how loud the crack is when you're pulling targets on the rifle range.

One lad brought his .300 Winchester Magnum, and we thought someone was shooting HE rounds at us!

[Travis McGee]

With terror cells busted up, terrorists in Gitmo talking, terrorist comms compromised and disrupted, we may be seeing an overt signal to other still on the loose terrorists to "go hot". If this is repeated in multiple states, WATCH OUT.

[Poohbah]

Oh I understand that perfectly, the only problem is that some of these witnesses were across the street etc from the victims being shot. Not all the witnesses are going to be standing right next to the victim...

I'm willing to bet most of the eyewitnesses were within 40 feet (that's a healthy distance).

[Atlas Sneezed]

"If there were 10 to 20 truck drivers shot, all within a few minutes of each other in several different locations across the country what would that do to commerce? Grind to a halt!"

Good point. But for an effect of greatest magnitude, it would need to be more random. Not just in the 50 largest cities, or a particular region, but a purely random distribution of victims, so that no one feels that they are safe (like non-air-travelers and those outside of major cities felt safe after 9-11-2001.)

[spodefly]

MY bet is the perp or perps are in another state sitting at a bar watching the news on TV and whispering in arabic.

You must not have been watching the TeeVee coverage ... they have it all figured out. It is "probably a hunter" or "skilled marksman" driving a "SUV" that "reads Guns and Ammo magazines" and owns "one or more rifles" of any description.

Extrapolating from what I have heard on TeeVee and have seen in the 2 (pathetic) press conferences -- it is a white male, conservative, Republican, SUV driver that owns guns of any type. You know the sort ... eeeeevil. You are encouraged to report anyone owning not just a .223, but any rifle, "because you never know what else they may have" ...

[pepsionice]

With the gaping wounds described...this is a professional weapon. Its not something that a 16 year old would pick up and perform....most would have accomplished one and been done...achievement of a major act. The fact that this guy was brave (and stupid enough) to kill five in one day, would suggest that he is on a bit more than just a plain nut. If we get another spree in the next week, like 3 in one day...then I would start looking at a planned act. These five had nothing in common and were as diverse as one can pick from. I would also make a guess that this guy is in a van, not a car. He is simply pulling up and parking...then making a hit and pulling away.

[Travis McGee]

One 223 casing was found

In my novel, both sides use misdirection and false clues. A sniper who shoots a senator with a 100 year old Nagant and leaves it in place drops cigarette butts and soda cans left by DC police on a break at the lair in the bushes. The "gestapo" leave weapons siezed from "militia" groups at the scenes of shooting s that they do.

Don't leave brass around, your brass could be dropped at the scene of a crime, then you got a lot of 'splainin to do.

[Brad C.]

Gee, I don't know just how many white delivery trucks with black letters are around the area in question. Do you think we should stop them all, or just the Fords, or maybe the Chevys, or how about the GMCs. Maybe we should just focus on the Volvos or the Mercedes delivery trucks. Did Dodge have any trucks that match the description? Then again, what is to stop the perps from driving a differnt vehicle since their first ventures appear to be so successful.

[ezo4]

Odd that this occurs just around the time the anti-rights coalition has started the "sniper rifle" and "assault weapon ban" drumbeat...

you got that right. I ve been thinking about this during last night and it doesnt look good.

[Joe Hadenuf]

223 is a mean little round. Are you sure they said they found the casing. I haven't heard anything.....