NJ Supreme Court Hearing Live Thread

New Jersey Public TV ^ | 10/02/02 | TonyInOhio

[TonyInOhio]

New Jersey Public TV is carrying this hearing live. Click on Watch Live Online, and post what you hear, here.

Tony

[bvw]

Hooray!

But if this is a planned manuvuer, the Dems may have already reached out and hugged the USSC J'stice they need in their pocket.

[Eala]

Totally against the canon of ethics. Rulings are supposed to be based on law and evidence. If it comes from some third party, there's no way the opposing counsel can challenge it in court.

"As corrupt as a Jersey judge"?

(Of course, this is pre-judging them...)

[mwl1]

I truly believe that the activist courts -- Florida, NJ etc -- are literally trying to give Rehnquist a heart attack. This continued nonsense must sicken our people on the US Supremes.

[zeaal]

Freepers duty today ...

Donate to FreeRepublic.com

and

Donate to the NJ Republican Party (for the upcoming days of campaigning).

[YaYa123]

I listened to the entire proceedings, and I remember the wisdom of not predicting how judges will rule because of the questions they ask. But hey...this is a democrat's dream court, on Soprano soil. I think Rush is right, their decision is pre-ordained.

"The law is the law".
"This court should not try to be a super legislature"
"This is treacherous ground" (subverting the law)
To ignore the elections laws laid down by the legislature, "creates a maze of treachery"

Those quotes, I think, were the strongest in arguments for not caving to this democrat attempt to manipulate the voting process.

The judges were showing the liberal leanings when they kept mouthing the argument that to keep Toricelli on the ballot, was taking away voters "right to vote". Shows their true colors better than anything else.

But all that said, it's hard to imagine these judges would be sooooooooooo blatantly partisan. Sooooooooooo blind to the litany of problems this decision would bring in it's wake. Unless they fear for their very lives, unless they are so mobbed up they don't dare cross 'the party', they should simply vote to abide by the rule of law, clearly established by the New Jersey legislature.

In weather terms, it's CAAFB what the judges should do.

[I still care]

Napolitano says that the Dems will win, 7-0, and be slapped down by SCOTUS, 5-4. He says they are one of the most liberal courts in America today. I think he used to sit on that court so he should know.

[twyn1]

...I do think this will go to the Supremes, but I'm not sure that's a good idea...

Agreed--just went to another forum (not a conservative one) and the talk there is how the "stinkin', bought out, partisan" Supremes are going to screw us all again...amazing how they spin it, but it will happen and the media will follow right along if Forrester fights this...many of the "other guys" have total disdain for the military votes being in jeopardy and they bring up all the old hatred about Bush being "selected" rather than elected...the irony of a 'selected" Lautenberg doesn't seem to filter thru' their brains of course

[Keith in Iowa]

I think the Grre Party candidate put it best....he said if he were to drop out as a candidate and his party were to ask to make a substatiution, he said 'we all know what the answer would be'.

[Keith in Iowa]

"Grre Party" = Green Party. Ooops.

[Jim Noble]

>>. IF the NJSC rules wholly on a state law basis that 51 days doesn't really mean 51 days, what would be the basis for a federal court action?<<

Follow the RATs-they know how to win.

NJ is lost to RATs. That's not our fault, that's just how it is.

There was a brief, shining chance to pick up a RAT seat because the candidate was such a big crook. Now that chance is gone. The RAT court, the RAT governor, the RAT Lautenberg are all in cahoots to break the law.

That's what RATs do. If the people of NJ were wise, they wouldn't want to be represented by RATs-but they aren't, and they do.

Instead of wasting time and money plowing in a rocky field, worry about why Montana, North and South Dakota, Missouri, Louisiana, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and West Virginia-Bush bastions all-send FOURTEEN RAT SENATORS to Washington.

Do you know how many GOP Senators there are from states where Gore got >54% of the vote? TWO, that's how many.

Going to court to stop the morons in NJ from getting the RAT they so obviously want is a waste of time and money, and will be twisted to work against GOP candidates who have a chance to win.

The GOP can go to court over matters like this AFTER we are rid of Edwards, Hollings, Cleland, Miller, Landrieu, Carnahan, Rockefeller, Byrd, Baucus, Daschle, Johnson, Dorgan and the other nameless commie from ND.

You've gotta fish where the fish are. NJ is a stagnant pool. Give it up.

[aristeides]

It doesn't have to be Forrester or the Republicans who appeal to the SCOTUS. We know from the oral arguments that the minor parties are also defendants in the case, and would thus be able to appeal. I would imagine any voters who can plausibly claim they were injured by the NJ Supremes' decision also could.

[laconic]

He sat on the NJ Superior Court and I think his conclusion is right except that it will be 6-1 in favor of ignoring the law.

[bvw]

The the NJ Judges declare that there must be another name entered on the DEMOCRATIC PARTY line so as not to disenfranchise the DEMOCRATS, why then Mr. Jeffords of Vermont must surely be up for re-election this November, as he did dis-enfranchise the REPUBLICAN PARTY.

[LisaFab]

See #1146 above. Haven't seen any others because the president is now on. Will keep the cubicle-bound posted when the talking heads resume.

[Jim Noble]

>>Senators are Federal offices<<

No, they are the State's representatives in Washington.

[aristeides]

And with no Dem candidate or with Torch still on the ballot, the Green candidate would pick up a lot of Dem votes, which would probably help his party's position in the next election. He's got plenty to win or lose.

[MattinNJ]

I am ashamed to be an attorney practicing "law" in NJ. What do I tell my clients in the following situations:
They were caught doing 45 mph in a 25 mph school zone? What's the difference between 45 and 25. 25 is just an arbitrary number-don't worry about it.

A crazed ex boyfriend who has a 150 foot restraining order placed against him gets in my client's face. That 150 feet is an arbitrary number. He can get away with it.

My client hires a contractor and there is a liquidated damage provision whereby the contractor is penalized $ 500 a day for every day over 90 days that it takes him to complete the project. That 90 days is an arbitrary number and he can take his sweet ass time.

THE LAW. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE RULE OF LAW. I am disgusted and ashamed. Oh well, I have to go now. I have to write a brief about the "law" in a particular case.

[Smedley]

He sat on the NJ Superior Court and I think his conclusion is right except that it will be 6-1 in favor of ignoring the law.

I wonder if the SCONJ will somehow invoke the NJ Constitution in their opinion. If so, the USSC can bitch-slap this decision down as they did the first SCOFLA decision as the 17th amendment leaves the senatorial process to the state legislature alone.

Don't laugh, we are talking about liberals.

[CatoRenasci]

Unless they fear for their very lives, unless they are so mobbed up they don't dare cross 'the party', they should simply vote to abide by the rule of law

Two problems:

1. I suspect they probably do fear for their very lives, or at least know that people who displease the Demomob in New Jersey have unacceptably high acccident rates.

2. These are judges who really believe the law is what they say it is.

[The Vast Right Wing]

Right, I don't think the pubbies should go any further than this. They should fight this thing in the court of public opinion and make it a national issue in every other close race. We may lose NJ, but I think this is an issue that can rally the troops in ARK and Colo. If we can turn the Ark and Colo races around, we are going to get control of the senate regardless of NJ. I think we are going to pick up MN, and SD. Think about it, people in SD are going to see what is going on in NJ and think it is totally unfair, same in Colo and Ark. Remember, that is the heartland and people have different values and morals their.

But the pubbies need to have a nuclear strategy where they suggest with about 3 weeks to go that Forrester is considering droping out and Kane (popular former Gov) is thinking of running. They need to throw that out there so the Dem's come in and say "No you can't do that" to show their hypocracy. Frankly, I don't think the voters in NJ are going to be real happy about the situation and the Republican base (if there is one in NJ) should be pretty motivated. Add in a couple of Guilianni commercials about playing by the rules. I think the Dem's are in a very difficult position.