Twenty-three year old man shot dead by police in a marijuana raid

Dayton Daily News ^ | 10/01/02 | Cathy Mong

[MrLeRoy]

Drawing a false equivalence between illicit drugs and the right to keep and bear arms is

... what HG has explicitly stated he is not doing, you silly little man.

[Roscoe]

"What difference does that make? Guns, drugs, spotted owls, freon - it's all 'commerce.'" -- taticalogic

HG jumped in to defend the statement above.

[Hemingway's Ghost]

Billions of dollars worth of drug contraband flow across our state and national borders.

A problem perpetuated by the feds themselves, but arguably a problem the feds are authorized to deal with.

Drawing a false equivalence between illicit drugs and the right to keep and bear arms is one of the most hoary cliches of libertarianism and its fellow travelers.

Attempting to fight a battle not raised in the first place is a hoary tactic of a Drug Warrior growing tired of thinking rationally in real time. Again, I am not a Libertarian or one of its "fellow travelers."

[Roscoe]

Attempting to fight a battle not raised in the first place

"What difference does that make? Guns, drugs, spotted owls, freon - it's all 'commerce.'" -- tacticalogic

Again, I am not a Libertarian or one of its "fellow travelers."

I disagree.

[tpaine]

"Drawing a false equivalence between illicit drugs and the right to keep and bear arms is one of the most hoary cliches -- "


Roscoe, you lie. The freedom to possess property of any type is not a "hoary cliche".
- It is specified in our constitution.

[FormerLurker]

However, they DO give government the authority to punish "evil doers"

Then why aren't those that promote executing people for SUSPECTED drug use "punished"? That IS what I call evil...

Understand that it is very unfortunate that a young man was killed, but had he been doing what is right, i.e., obeying the law and staying away from known drug hangouts, he would still be alive today.

Tell that to the Boston minister who died during a mistaken drug raid on his apartment..

Minister dies as cops raid wrong apartment

[MrLeRoy]

HG jumped in to defend the statement above.

No, he jumped in to disagree with your apparent contention that Lopez rules out any possibility of Congress banning guns via the Commerce Clause. Which, of course, it does not.

[tpaine]

"Legal restrictions on marijuana and other illicit drugs exist at the federal level and in all fifty states."


I made a rebuttal to that same idiotic statment just above. - You were unable to counter.
Your repetitions have become a joke roscoe. You're making a fool of yourself.

[Hemingway's Ghost]

"What difference does that make? Guns, drugs, spotted owls, freon - it's all 'commerce.'" -- tacticalogic

Right: commerce, not guns. The whole authority of the CSA is predicated on a New Deal interpretation of what constitutes interstate commerce---NOTHING ELSE. For the last time, I am not advocating in any way that drugs shouldn't be illegal because guns are or aren't: I'm fumbling because I don't even know how to make such a ridiculous argument.

Read the preamble to the CSA---you're fond of posting it so I'm sure you're very familiar with it. Note the excess it goes to in order to make the argument that drugs always affect commerce in some way. In Lopez the Court claimed a single gun cannot, in any way, affect interstate commerce---in fact the very thought of it was ridiculous. So therefore they decided quite rightly that the federal government was over-reaching when it passed the Gun Free School Zone laws because it relied upon the Commerce Clause for its authority. Many of us here find it ironic and hypocritical that the Court---Supreme or Circuit or whathaveyou---can claim with a straight face that a single marijuana plant could affect the national economy directly in such a grave manner that it needs to be regulated by the Federal government in order to prevent the Union from crumbling into disrepair.

Again, I am not a Libertarian or one of its "fellow travelers." I disagree.

Knock your socks off. It makes no difference to me.

[Roscoe]

The whole authority of the CSA is predicated on a New Deal interpretation of what constitutes interstate commerce---NOTHING ELSE.

False.

[Roscoe]

The freedom to possess property of any type is not a "hoary cliche".

Contraband isn't property.

- It is specified in our constitution.

False.

[headsonpikes]

'Contraband isn't property."

And tyrannicide isn't murder.

[Roscoe]

And tyrannicide isn't murder.

John Wilkes Boothe's accomplices were hanged.

[verity]

One at a time! :!()

[tpaine]

More repetitive nonsense.

Your mantra about contraband has been well refuted, many times. And your refusal to acknowledge the plain words of the constitution is another stock joke on FR.

Get some new lines roscoe. Your old lies are worn out.

[Logic_3]

The solution to the drugs problem:

Twenty-three year old man shot dead by police in a marijuana raid

[Roscoe]

contraband has been well refuted, many times.

False. Not even once.

[headsonpikes]

Abraham Lincoln wasn't a tyrant, you prevaricating troller.

[Roscoe]

Booth shrieked, "Sic semper tyrannis!" His co-conspirators were hanged for murder.

[tpaine]

I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false. -I say refuted. - Roscoe says false.

- And so it goes in roscoe-lands version of ~debate~.