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To: palmer
Of course they won't use the word occupy, it has too many negative connotations.

Or maybe it's because we don't want to occupy Iraq. Duh.

Somalia?

The starving millions wanted and needed us there. The warlords were the only ones who wanted us to leave, so that they could continue to use the food aid to hold the poewr of life and death over the populations. That's hardly an example of the US being an unwanted imperial power. Are you always this disingenuous?

Firing randomly at our planes flying over his country is not "murderous".

That adjective is modifying his actions against his citizens and his neighbors, not the firing on overhead flights.

If they are all that murderous, we need to stay out of that area, not get more involved.

So you're simply a coward who would prefer to watch tyrants and murderers slaughter millions of people? Well, I'm glad that the current administration is not so callous, craven, or enabling.

Unless, of course, there is evidence of support of 9/11 hijackers or an imminent threat like a long range missile. That's all I care about, not murderous pasts

All the evidence and fore-warning in the world will not prevent a missile attack or another 9-11-01. Only destroying those who would consider such actions will. Saddam openly and happily admits that he wants weapons that will accomplish that kind of destruction. He has defied resolutions for a decade in pursuit of that goal. He is the most likely person to be stupid enough (in his bid for heroic immortality in the eyes of Muslims everywhere) to actually use them on innocent people, as evidenced by his past. This does not mean that every nation that has or builds WMD's is a target. It does mean that every nation with a militant dictator who dispenses death as a personal hobby, invades innocent neighbors for material gains, and threatens the US with his words and defiant actions should and WILL become one.

61 posted on 10/01/2002 11:40:33 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317
Or maybe it's because we don't want to occupy Iraq. Duh.

Whether we want to or not, we will have to or leave the country to be divided between the Kurds and Shiites. Kurdish power will lead to wars with Turkey and Shiite power will strengthen Iran.

That's hardly an example of the US being an unwanted imperial power.

Sorry, I misunderstood your question. You are right about Somalia. Examples of imperialism are smaller Arab countries like Bahrain. Larger ones tend to have more popular support, but the smaller ones are clearly U.S. puppets.

So you're simply a coward who would prefer to watch tyrants and murderers slaughter millions of people? Well, I'm glad that the current administration is not so callous, craven, or enabling.

Those tyrants are usually a by-product of a sequence of wars starting with WWI. Some tyrants start as necessary evil allies (e.g. Osama), others rise up in the chaos caused by war (e.g. Cambodia). There's no chance that Iraq will stay glued together without some tyranny especially considering the outside forces like Iran who would like to see it ripped apart.

All the evidence and fore-warning in the world will not prevent a missile attack or another 9-11-01. Only destroying those who would consider such actions will. Saddam openly and happily admits that he wants weapons that will accomplish that kind of destruction. He has defied resolutions for a decade in pursuit of that goal. He is the most likely person to be stupid enough (in his bid for heroic immortality in the eyes of Muslims everywhere) to actually use them on innocent people, as evidenced by his past. This does not mean that every nation that has or builds WMD's is a target. It does mean that every nation with a militant dictator who dispenses death as a personal hobby, invades innocent neighbors for material gains, and threatens the US with his words and defiant actions should and WILL become one.

I agree with your last part with one caveat. That militant leader will have to provoke the US the way Saddam has. The ones who don't go that far will get off scott free, especially once we have spent our capital on Iraq.

74 posted on 10/01/2002 12:22:51 PM PDT by palmer
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To: Teacher317
"All the evidence and fore-warning in the world will not prevent a missile attack or another 9-11-01. Only destroying those who would consider such actions will. Saddam openly and happily admits that he wants weapons that will accomplish that kind of destruction."

Exactly! Very well said. Every time the American people have demanded proper "provocation" before going to war (WW1, WW2, War on Terror), they have gotten it. In spades. And vowed never to repeat it.

Its time we take our vows seriously.
199 posted on 10/07/2002 4:19:38 AM PDT by talk2farley
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