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To: Greybird
Remarkable how often Democrats have lied to get us into war. The WWII example is quite remarkable; 80% of the American public was isolationist on Dec 6, 1941.

The immediate results of FDR's success in getting us into that war were 20,000 casualties in the Philipines and loss to U-boat action of about 400 ships before June 1942.

Most interesting of all was the reason for FDR's eagerness to fight. FDR was an anglophobe. Who else was allied with us in WWII? The Soviet Union! And FDR's enthusiasm for the fight seems to date from June 22, 1941; there seems to be no example of a major US policy which did anything to disadvantage of the Soviet Union.

FDR recognized the USSR the year he took office . . .

37 posted on 10/01/2002 4:31:19 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Do not be so arrogant as to attack Democrats for the actions of Roosevelt on the eve of the Second World War. I myself am a strongly conservative Republican, and believe Bill Clinton may have been getting head from Hussein and Osama on Tuesday's, and Monica on Wednsdays.

However, American involvement in WW2 was inevitable. The arrogance of the American people (who clung hopelessly to an "isolationist" attitude throughout the first half of the 20th century, even as the world grew evermore globalist) to think they could stay out of it only facilitated the Pearl Harbor disaster.

Japan had delusions of an empire spanning the Pacific. Germany had delusions of an empire spanning Europe. The United States sits right in the middle of these two camps. Moreover, by 1941, the American Navy maintained the globe's largest Pacific fleet, something the Japanese saw threatening and an inevitable foe.

American foreign policy was most favorable towards Great Britain and China. The Soviets benefited far less from American free trade than the other Allied powers.

The West was unaware of the murderous German actions undertaken by the Germans, and for the most part the similar Japanese atrocities. What we had heard were rumors and unconfirmed reports that had escaped occupied territories on the lips of refugees. There was no independent source. An invitation by the Germans to inspect a specially-built false concentration camp was turned down by the Red Cross.

Perhaps it was a case of turning a blind eye to the truth. Either way, to suggest America or anyone else intended to stand by and allow such atrocities to proceed is a fool. After all, the Jewish minority across the American East coast has long represented an important Democratic caucas, something FDR was very much aware of.

No, I blame the arrogance and ignorance of the American people for 12/7, just as I blame them for 9/11. Eight years of Bill Clinton reduced the military from the worlds most elite fighting force as demonstrated in 1991, to a paramilitary police force charged with enforceing the unenforceable, and left us with our pants down.

Its time for this nation to wake up and realize American intervention in foreign affiars, both politically and militarily, is a necesitty when you remain the globe's sole super power. To avoid the Pearl Harbor's of our history, we must pre-empt our enemies, and strike them first, swiftly and decisively.

Clinton had the opportunity to deal with Saddam in 1998, and likewise with Bin Laden in 2000. However, citing the American public's desire for "isolation" he did nothing.
43 posted on 10/01/2002 4:55:11 AM PDT by talk2farley
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