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Permissive Parenting Contributed to killing of Jesse Dirkhising (homosexual violence alert)
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| September 26, 2002
| Alyson Smith
Posted on 09/30/2002 3:27:34 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: flyervet
A Canadian Christian Replies to a Homosexual Activist
By Robert A. Jason
The following is a letter sent by Canadian writer Robert Jason of Fonthill, Ontario, to a homosexual activist, Randy Brandt:
Dear Randy Brandt:
First of all, allow me to introduce myself to you and to all the good people you have sent this sadly ill-informed and dangerously mischievous letter.
Above all, I am a humble follower of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior. Im happily married to the same wonderful woman for 42 years, and we are blessed with wonderful children and grandchildren. Lastly, Im a retired history teacher with a masters degree in history.
My "retirement," however, has turned into a full-time job writing letters to newspapers, politicians, et al, on social/moral issues, like the family, education, crime, abortion, euthanasia, homosexuality, and trying my two bits worth to stem the spiritual and moral decay in our beloved country.
Retirement gives me enough time to do lots of reading, thinking and soul-searching on the fundamental questions of life.
In fact, retirement gave me lots of time to do thorough research on homosexuality when, after retirement, I kept on seeing constant and relentless letters in a local Niagara newspaper by a local homosexual activist who spouted propaganda, disinformation and blatant untruths (like yours). And he railed against Christianity and traditional family values that built this great country. And if any citizen dared to defend themselves and their values, this activist would shout them down with personal insults and vague accusations of "homophobe" and "hate," etc. (very much what you are trying to do). This is a common tactic of activists to suppress healthy debate and free speech in a free and democratic society. I was outraged. I resolved to do extensive research on homosexuality, and I wrote my very first letter to the editor and have not looked back ever since.
Let me rebut your pronouncements one by one. You say, "It is sad to see those who call themselves Christians relying so heavily on fear and hate." No, it is the reverse. It is indeed sad to see those who call themselves Christians relying so heavily on homosexual propaganda and the homosexual agenda rather than relying on clear Christian teaching of the Bible. You have taken the easy way out and embraced the secular world and its morally relativist, postmodern thinking. It takes guts to stick to Biblical virtues in our morally bankrupt world.
Real Christians believe in the Biblical principle of "Love the sinner, hate the sin." We make an intelligent, rational, clear distinction (which you do not) between homosexuals as fellow human beings created in the image of God with all the basic rights of any citizen, and homosexuality as a BEHAVIOR that is unnatural, unhealthy, and harmful to society. We love homosexuals as fellow human beings. In fact, we love them enough to beseech them to change their destructive ways for their own good and become whole again through Jesus Christ. There are legions of organizations composed of "ex-gays," like "Exodus International," who do a very successful and laudable job of reaching out to their fallen brethren and turning them back into whole, happy heterosexuals again. We do not hate homosexuals as human beings, but we are decidedly opposed to the forcible acceptance of their unhealthy behavior and the imposition of special rights like the adoption of our innocent, vulnerable, impressionable children, and "gay marriage," etc. We oppose homosexuality as a destructive behavior just as we do smoking, drug addiction, alcoholism and other socially disapproved behavior. We do not hate smokers, drug addicts, alcoholics and the like, but we do hate their behavior that is not only injurious to their practitioners but to society as a whole.
"Love Thy Neighbor," Yes! "Love Thy Neighbors Behavior," No!
Next, you say, " When one goes back and reads the Christian arguments against the abolition of slavery and against female suffrage, they bear an eerie resemblance to the arguments of those who propagate discrimination towards gay people (WRONG AGAIN - NOT AGAINST GAYS BUT AGAINST THEIR BEHAVIOR RJ) today. Good grief! You should be ashamed of yourself for making such an outrageously false statement.
If you know history, it was the early Christian Church that stopped slavery, inequality of women, abortion and abandonment of unwanted children, and perversions that were rampant in the Roman Empire. Christian emperors like Constantine and Justinian enacted just laws abolishing abortion and abandonment, and against slavery, and granted equitable rights to women and elevated the status of women considerably. It was only after the discovery of the Americas that slavery, for example, crept back into Christendom, introduced by non-Christians and "Christians" who did not believe their Scriptures.
And it was, once again, real Christians like William Wilberforce who ended slavery in the British Empire, and American Christians (three quarters of the abolitionists in America were Christian clergy) who abolished slavery in the New World. It was the Christian Lord Shaftesbury who did yeomens service for the poor. The Wesleyan Revival in Britain raised moral and material standards in the land. The early feminists for equal rights for women were all Christians who succeeded in getting equal votes for women so that they would be able to stay at home and raise their children in a healthy, loving, nurturing environment rather than being forced to work outside in a "career" in order to feed the insatiable greed of the "Industrial Revolution."
But your comparison of homosexuals to women, for instance, is based on the grotesquely false premise that homosexuals were "born that way" and that homosexuality is somehow innate, genetic and fixed. The majority of women, blacks, Asians and other "visible minorities" would be offended to be lumped in with homosexuals and their immoral lifestyle. It is wrong to compare homosexuals to an immutable and unchangeable condition of race or sexuality. Women and people of various races "were born that way." Homosexuals are not.
The whole homosexual agenda is built on a shaky foundation of homosexuals being "born that way." It is a house built on sand. We must deal with this matter in some depth and dispatch this monstrous hydra once for all. Here are the facts provided by experts with years of experience in the field:
Dr. Elizabeth Moberly, world-renowned psychologist: "No one has yet proven a direct link between genetic and hormonal research and homosexual orientation. There is no evidence for it."\
Masters & Johnson, famous sexologists: "The genetic theory of homosexuality has been generally discarded today. No serious scientist today suggests that a simple cause-effect applies."
Dr. R. Kronemeyer, New York psychologist (working among New Yorks enormous "gay" population): "With rare exceptions, homosexuality is neither genetic nor the result of some glandular disturbance. Homosexuals are made, not born that way. From my 25 years experience as a clinical psychologist, I firmly believe that homosexuality is a learned experience and that it can be unlearned."
Dr. Joseph Berger, assistant professor of psychiatry, University of Toronto (working among the largest "gay" community in Canada): "In my 20 years of psychiatry I have never come across anyone with innate homosexuality."
Scientists, many of them homosexuals, have failed to find a "gay gene" after decades of trying. The well-known studies by such scientists as Dean Hamer, Simon LeVay, Bailey & Pillard, have proven to be a dead-end.
Even homosexual activists, such as the famous lesbian writer Camille Paglia, are forced to admit the truth. The brutally honest Paglia admitted: "No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous. Homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait."
That homosexuality is not genetic is indicated by the high ratio of cures. Dr. Kronemeyer gives a rate of 80 percent of homosexuals cured of their disorder through therapy. Masters & Johnson give 71.6 percent much higher than that for alcoholics or drug addicts.
Next, you say, dear Mr. Brandt, "The call of Christ is not hate and fear it is to love unconditionally, and to accept those who are different from us, as Christ did." All nice-sounding, vague, nebulous phrases designed to lull an unwary Christian! Can you kindly tell, pray tell, where exactly did Christ say all this in the Bible? What exactly do you mean by "those who are different from us." Murderers, thieves, pedophiles, incest-fanciers, bestiality-practitioners, for example, are "different from us." Would Jesus love them unconditionally? Or would He love them as persons but hate their behavior? Wouldnt He seek to change their hearts and minds and conduct and bring them into the Kingdom of God? Did not Jesus throw out the moneychangers from the Temple? Why did he not love them unconditionally, as you claim? How do you explain, for instance, Jesus action when he commanded the woman caught in adultery to "sin no more." Sounds very much like conditional love to me.
Finally, you say, "I am attaching a short article entitled "Homosexuality and the Bible" by [John Shelby] Spong." You conveniently neglect to inform us who J.S. Spong is and why we should take Mr. Spong seriously. Well, Id better supply the necessary information. Spong is the notorious Episcopal bishop from New Jersey who has denied virtually all the basic tenets of our Christian faith and who publicly labeled Apostle Paul a "self-hating gay man." It was Bishop Spong who sneered at the "primitive" Africans and Asians and other Bible-believing Anglicans around the world who overwhelmingly voted at the worldwide Lambeth Conference to uphold Biblical condemnations of homosexuality. With "shepherds" like Bishop Spong, its no wonder that the flock has gone astray. Anyway, I would rather be a "primitive" and pure like Jesus and other early disciples than to be a "sophisticated" and "enlightened" postmodernist like Spong who has embraced the secular humanism and moral relativism of this world with a passion.
Well, I am running out of space to analyze in detail all passages in Scripture that provide a general guideline for human sexuality and also which directly condemn homosexuality. So, here is the list, and it is up to you, dear friend, to make up your own mind:
Genesis 1:27; 2:24
Genesis 19:1-29
Leviticus 18:22; 20:13
Judges 19, 20, 21
Matthew 19:4-6
Mark 10:6-9
Romans 1:24-32
1 Corinthians 6:16
Ephesians 5:31
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
1 Timothy 1:8-11
Thank you.
In HIS service,
Robert A. Jason
Culture and Family Institute
an affiliate of Concerned Women for America
1015 Fifteenth St. N.W., Suite 1102
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
Outrageous! Like straight white folks don't count somehow.
To: yendu bwam
BUMP to keep Jesse's memory alive.
To: Saundra Duffy
"it's politically incorrect to report about homosexuals being evil killers."
There is a book called "Coloring The News" and basically it says that the media stooges are paid (given bonuses) based on the number of pictures they get published that show minorities in a positive light.
It must be that those bonuses are also for only positive portrayal of Gays/Lesbians, TransGendered, bisexuals and animal perverts.
To: BeAllYouCanBe
I just can't stop thinking of poor young Jesse - tortured like that. It's beyond disgusting. He didn't deserve to be treated like that - a love slave. Jesse's parents are creepy pigs. Maybe they're sorry now. Hope so. He sure was a cute kid.
To: Saundra Duffy
"Jesse's parents are creepy pigs."
When I was a kid growing up in Chicago 40 years ago we had "chickenhawks" and these were gay men who preyed upon teenage boys. Luckily, I was not targeted but I had a friend at 14 who was "attacked" after being plyed with gifts and beer. I don't know what I would have done if it was me but this kid was very naieve. I went into the martial arts to protect myself. My friend was scared for life and lost a lot of personal confidence.
We both had good parents but young kids don't know what to look for to prove a person a pervert if we asked for permission to go hang out with 21 year old men we wouldn't have gotten it. Parents can only go so far otherwise they'll stifle the child.
To: BeAllYouCanBe
We need to warn our kids about the threat of preying homosexuals. Why is that so wrong?
To: Saundra Duffy
Yeah. I thought so.
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posted on
09/30/2002 6:06:17 PM PDT
by
flyervet
To: Paul Atreides
I don't condone what the perp did to Mathew Shephard, BUT...
The perp was a straight-white-male, who got sentenced to prison. He was (is) a small framed (5'7"-140 lbs.) guy. In prison, he got gang raped by blacks. Repeatedly. Again and again. Day and night. Because he is white.
Again and again.
Day and night.
He was NOT a racist going in. It's well documented.
He was a "racist" coming out.
Think about it.
Comment #30 Removed by Moderator
To: Coleus; Saundra Duffy
What's missing in the Matthew Shepard hoopla is that MS was into straight guys and ROUGH TRADE. I'm not saying he deserved to be killed, but wasn't he coming on to one of the guys at that bar a little too heavy? Some people don't like that kind of behaviour. He IS NOT a martyr!
To: grlfrnd
but wasn't he coming on to one of the guys at that bar a little too heavy?>>>>
I don't know since I wasn't there.
He IS NOT a martyr!>>>>
Nope, he's a queer.
The press hyped up the whole affair and pushed the Hate Crimes Issue and let poor Jessie die alone, very little news about his case.
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09/30/2002 7:34:40 PM PDT
by
Coleus
To: l8pilot; kjenerette
Check out post #2.
God bless Dixie!
To: Coleus; Saundra Duffy
This is from a gay site about the trial of Aaron McKinney:
The Gay & Lesbian Review Worldwide
Jason Tangeman began by agreeing that Aaron McKinney participated in the death of Matthew Shepard, but argued that his client did not premeditate the murder. Matt Shepard died because of five minutes of emotional rage and chaos caused by McKinneys methamphetamine use and an abusive background that included unwanted gay sex.
Thus, McKinneys voluntary intoxication, a legal defense in Wyoming, showed that he could not form the specific intent to commit first degree murder. According to the defenses account, Matt Shepard left the Fireside Lounge voluntarily with McKinney and Henderson, looking for a sexual encounter. Shepard had already been rebuffed by one man at the bar. McKinney and Henderson were friendly, and even though Shepards car was parked outside, he asked them for a ride home. Seated between the two in the cab of their pick-up truck, Shepard leaned over, grabbed McKinneys crotch and licked his ear. McKinney reacted with uncontrollable rage and began beating him.
Soon thereafter, McKinney and Henderson left Shepard tied to a fence and took his shoes to make it difficult for him to walk back to town. McKinney didnt think he had beaten Matt Shepard to death; why else would he take his shoes?
Soon thereafter, McKinney and Henderson left Shepard tied to a fence and took his shoes to make it difficult for him to walk back to town.
Tangeman then summarized his case and revealed what would soon grab headlines as the gay panic defense:
The average citizen might understand one mans reaction to the sexual advance of another man. Drugs enhance that reaction. But Aaron McKinneys reactions were even further intensified because he had had sexually traumatic and confusing events in his life. As a child, a neighborhood bully forced McKinney to suck his penis. The bully mocked him, calling him gay. At fifteen, Aaron engaged in gay sex with a cousin. These events traumatized McKinney. In Florida, he and Kristen Price mistakenly went to a gay church, and Aaron left abruptly, sobbing. The gay advance by Matthew Shepard humiliated McKinney in front of Henderson, and then enraged him. McKinney struck out in rage. Not only did drugs and alcohol affect Aaron McKinney that night, but so did his past.
To: Saundra Duffy
"Permissive"? How about downright blind.
As for whether the kid wanted it or not, why would that even be an issue. He was a minor, those that abused him (with or without "consent") were not.
To: BeAllYouCanBe
Remembering Jesse Dirkhising: A Young Life Snuffed Out by Homosexual Lovers Arkansas boys death never captured imagination of media, HollywoodFirst of Two Parts
[WARNING: STORY CONTAINS SOME GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS]
As the third anniversary of Jesse Dirkhisings death (September 26) approaches, interviews with the prosecutor who tried the Arkansas boys homosexual murderers and information gleaned from Northwest Arkansas local news reports shed new light on factors that led to the tragedy.
News of 13-year-old Jesses gruesome sadomasochistic killing ignited an outcry among conservatives and pro-family advocates who questioned why the case received only a small fraction of the media coverage devoted to the murder of Matthew Shepard a "gay" Wyoming college student a year earlier. A Nexis media database search reveals 13,500 total stories on the name "Matthew Shepard" and 632 for "Jesse Dirkhising." That does not include the massive TV coverage of the Shepard case, including two major Hollywood specials. Meanwhile, Dirkhising has been largely forgotten.
The following account is deeply disturbing. We included only enough detail to highlight the nature of the crime. However, we left many facts out due to their extreme graphic nature; a fuller version will be made available through Americans for Truth, a pro-family organization that opposes the homosexual movement.
There is an aspect of Jesses killing that was almost completely ignored by the conservative and "mainstream" media: that it flowed from the almost unthinkable depravities practiced most prominently by homosexual male sadists. Interestingly, the group now known euphemistically in "gay" circles as the "leather community" protests that it practices "consensual," controlled sexually violent behavior and disavows child abuse. Nevertheless, it celebrates pain, degradation and torturous acts of the sort that lit the perverse fantasies of Jesses older killer, Davis Carpenter, and ultimately snuffed out young Jesse.
Both Carpenter and his younger homosexual lover, Joshua Brown, are serving life-without-parole sentences in Arkansas jails. Next weeks article will report on some of the lessons learned from his killing. Editor
By Allyson Smith
Thirteen-year-old Jesse Dirkhising suffocated to death during the early morning hours of September 26, 1999, after being bound, drugged, gagged and brutally sodomized by "gay" lovers Davis Don Carpenter, then 38, and Joshua Macabe Brown, then 22, at the mens apartment in Rogers, Arkansas.
Earlier that summer, Jesse with the permission of his mother and stepfather, Tina and Miles Yates had begun spending weekends with the homosexual couple. His parents knew the two adult men were homosexual lovers.
Carpenter, who had known Miles Yates for several years and was considered a "family friend," made a 60-mile round trip on weekends to pick up Jesse at his trailer park home in Prairie Grove and take him back to Rogers, where he earned $45 helping to sweep the Regis Hairstylists beauty salon that Carpenter managed. Jesse planned to use the money to fix up a truck.
During the five-hour assault, which began around midnight in the couples bedroom, Brown, acting on written instructions from Carpenter, bound the seventh-grader with nylon rope, placed a T-shirt blindfold over his head, and gagged his mouth with a pair of underwear secured by a bandana and duct tape.
After propping pillows beneath Jesses abdomen, Brown sodomized him a variety of ways, including with an enema laced with the sedative drug amitryptiline while Carpenter (engaging in a lewd act) watched in the bedroom doorway.
Midway through the assault, Carpenter went to an all-night grocery store to purchase additional rape implements.
Upon Carpenters return from the store, Brown continued sodomizing Jesse. He then left the room to eat a sandwich. When he returned, the boy was no longer breathing. Frantic, he woke Carpenter, who by that time had fallen asleep on the living room sofa.
After the men attempted unsuccessfully to administer CPR, Carpenter called 911. When police arrived at the apartment, they found Jesse naked and near death on the bedroom floor. His face was blue, according to reports. We are unable to report other details about the crime scene due to their horrific nature.
Jesse was pronounced dead after being rushed to nearby St. Marys hospital. Medical Examiner Dr. Stephen Erickson later testified that the boy died as a result of "suffocation, positional asphyxiation and acute amitryptiline intoxication."
KILLER CONFESSIONS - Under questioning by Detective Martha Armstrong, Davis Carpenter denied any participation in Jesses assault. However, a grocery clerk at the Price Cutter store where Carpenter bought the food items later testified that he "was wide awake when he came into the store" and that he was "pretty happy" about finding the duct tape on a low shelf, according to The Benton County Daily Record.
Carpenter admitted to police he had used several drugs in the hours leading up to the assault, including methamphetamine.
After his arrest, Carpenter told Benton County jail inmates that he participated in Jesse's sodomy by "shoving pain pills" down the boy's throat, according to a police affidavit.
In the taped interview, Carpenter also said he had "counseled" Jesse about his sexuality and drug use: "If he wanted to bring in a 28-year-old woman and [have sex with her] in the back room, I wouldnt care. As long as he was there and he told me about it and was honest about everything I asked him about the thing he was doing.
"Just like I told him, If you want to smoke pot thats fine. You can smoke it in my house but dont you go out there with the rest of these d--- crazy kids because theyre not good people."
"Jesses confused," continued Carpenter. "Jesse is attracted to guys and
hates
that part of himself." He said that Jesses mother, Tina Yates, had mentioned Jesses homosexuality to him.
Carpenter said on tape that he left home at age 15 because of his own homosexuality: "My dad didnt, my whole family didnt think fags deserved to live."
However, his father later accepted him. In an April 2001 interview with the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, Davis Carpenter Sr. said that his son "came home one day and proceeded to tell me he was gay. We sat up and talked for a long time that night. I saw that I couldn't change his mind. So I accepted it."
Carpenter denied that he and Brown practiced any bondage in their sexual relationship. However, he told Armstrong that Brown and Jesses "play" included "mummy type stuff" where "theyve taped each other like a mummy." ("Mummification" is one of many sadistic sex rituals.)
In his police confession, Joshua Brown said he and Jesse "were just playing around." He said they often hog-tied each other and that the young teenager was a willing participant in their "games."
Brown called Jesse his "on-the-side lover" and said that the boy had performed unsolicited oral sex on him during his first weekend visit. However, Brown insisted he had never had anal sex with Jesse until the fatal assault.
Brown said he didnt know that the "game" would kill Jesse. In his taped confession, Brown stamped the table several times with his fist in apparent remorse and said, "I just don't believe I [expletive deleted] killed him."
Brown also told police that "Davis gots [sic] a whole slew of videos" that are "mostly guy-on-guy [porn films]," but he was not sure if they had arrived yet from the couples previous residence in St. Petersburg, Florida.
When asked by Detective Jarod Mason if Carpenter ever fantasized about "little kids," Brown answered, "Sometimes, yeah" but denied that Carpenter would ever act on them.
Joshua also said that Davis "had fantasies about dogs" and would draw pictures of bondage acts.
Later, Brown told Mason, "Jesse
really didnt have nothing to offer except maybe sex every now and then."
Culture and Family Institute an affiliate of Concerned Women for America 1015 Fifteenth St. N.W., Suite 1102 Washington, D.C. 20005 Phone: (202) 289-7117 Fax: (202) 488-0806 E-mail: mail@cultureandfamily.org
To: HiTech RedNeck
More hate speech. See Post #36.
To: HiTech RedNeck
The age of consent used to be 14 in Hawaii until the people figured out that was why the gays were flocking to Hawaii. The people changed it to 16, I think. Anyway, that would mean that the gays could still abuse young boys and get away with it. Go figure.
To: Saundra Duffy
Thanks for your post #2.
To: Coleus
Thank you for your link post.
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