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Torricelli News Conference 5 pm EST LIVE THREAD

Posted on 09/30/2002 9:20:19 AM PDT by alisasny

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
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To: mwl1
My sense of this situation, after a long day, is that the RATS just forfeited one Senate seat.
1,901 posted on 09/30/2002 5:46:59 PM PDT by mwl1
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To: chnsmok
repukes have to allow a new candidate or get attacked with a violence that overshadows Iraq.

They are SUCH sweet people.

1,902 posted on 09/30/2002 5:47:07 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317
SO, MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHO IS THE NJEA GOING TO ENDORSE NOW??????
1,903 posted on 09/30/2002 5:48:37 PM PDT by mware
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To: Howlin
The Iowa Election Market for a GOP senate (defined as 51 seats no less, not 50), took a bump up today from about 41% to 44%, after rising about 5% in the prior two days. So the folks that place their bets are not unduly impressed with the chessboard moves today.
1,904 posted on 09/30/2002 5:48:52 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Senator Pardek; cmsgop
Michael Jackson? Wouldn't you think he was cute if you were married to Larry Fortenski?

As for Richard, he had to DIE to get away from me!

1,906 posted on 09/30/2002 5:49:58 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: marajade
Anybody can be a write-in candidate, so they can campaign. Irregardless, here's how I see it.

It doesn't matter if the Dems win their battle to remove the Torricelli's name. The important thing for them is that Republicans resist, NJ Supreme Court sides with them, and SCOTUS rules against them. Even two out of three will be good enough. In the meantime, Torricelli and the new candidate (Bradley or Clinton) begin candidating together. Polls are taken that show the new candidate beating Forrester by 10-15 points. Dems use the buzzwords the "will of the people" "stolen elections" etcetera.

Now we switch from the Florida playbook to Missouri. A Republican misstep is magnified or manufactured. This is to generate sympathy for the poor faux candidate who simply wants to do the "will of the people as a public servant." Torricelli promises to resign as soon as re-elected and the governor promises to appoint the faux candidate. People are told that a vote for Torricelli is a vote for Clinton or Bradley. The Dems succeeding in winning the election and keeping the Senate.
1,907 posted on 09/30/2002 5:51:58 PM PDT by mongrel
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To: dubyaismypresident; Senator Pardek
I was once married to everybody!

Do any of you all know who John Paragon is? He played the genie in the TV on Peewee's Playhouse; he did ONE one man show and did the funniest routine about Dick and Liz I have EVER seen. He Commended her performance in "Fat on a Hot Tin Roof" and said, "Where are you going, out to marry some unsuspecting passerby?" (You had to be there.)

1,908 posted on 09/30/2002 5:53:04 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: marajade

I supspect the appointment would be for the remainder of the 107th which runs until Jan 3, 2003.... Then a reappointment for the 108th until an election can be held to fill the remainder of the term. Thus nothing subverting the six years.... I think it was one of the CA senators came in something akin to that. She won the election and the sitting Senator resigned and she was appointed to fill the remainder of the term prior to her term starting.

I agree it's about defeating Forrester in any manner they can whether by election or manuvering. Isn't specualtion so much fun? LOL

1,909 posted on 09/30/2002 5:53:08 PM PDT by deport
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To: mongrel
Torricelli promises to resign as soon as re-elected and the governor promises to appoint the faux candidate.

This smells of a quid-pro-quo arrangement that cannot be legal...

-PJ

1,910 posted on 09/30/2002 5:54:03 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: mware
Who will the NJEA endorse now? Given their track record, either Marion Barry, Cornel West, or "Big Pu$$y" Bonpensiero.
1,911 posted on 09/30/2002 5:54:14 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Political Junkie Too
The precedent for the Dems is Missouri. It's only a small step to go from a dead candidate to a poor candidate that justs wants to get out of the race to "help the people of New Jersey."
1,912 posted on 09/30/2002 5:56:08 PM PDT by mongrel
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To: deport
Actually its about subverting the law and I think its nasty.
1,913 posted on 09/30/2002 5:56:35 PM PDT by marajade
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To: Teacher317
How about Rev. Al Charleton?
1,914 posted on 09/30/2002 5:57:30 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: Teacher317
How about Spike Lee for Malcolm X? Johney Jihad learned a lot from that movie.
1,915 posted on 09/30/2002 6:00:12 PM PDT by chnsmok
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To: deport; marajade
OK. Then think about this situation. Torch doesn't quit. He runs

If he wins, the seat is Dem
If he loses....then he quits (on 11/6).

The reading of NJ law that so many here have given would still apply, wouldn't it? A vacancy is created after 30days prior to an election and the Gov just appoints somebody to a two year term until the next general election. Forester can't win under that scenario.

Sound crazy?
Sound unconstitutional?

That's because it would be... IF the law were construed the way it had been here.

1,916 posted on 09/30/2002 6:00:44 PM PDT by IMRight
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To: mongrel
My understanding is a write in campaign can be organized by anyone or any organization WITHOUT the concurrence of their candidate. However, if the candidate wins, he must then accept the vote and agree to serve.

Only my understanding!
1,917 posted on 09/30/2002 6:01:29 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: calvin sun
The New Jersey court has ruled on a matter closelly resembling the current situation

Just last year in BRET SCHUNDLER v. GLENN R. PAULSEN, et al the facts were that the legislature passed legislagiot extending the deadline in the gubernatorial election so that the 48 day period would be extended.

From The Decision:

We first consider appellant's argument that Chapter 73 applies retroactively to destroy his vested rights. Appellant contends that the right of the DiFrancesco vacancy committee to certify a substitute candidate perished on April 18, 2001, forty- eight days before the originally scheduled June 5 primary date. He asserts that the Legislature's attempt to resurrect the vacancy committee's authority by extending the deadline to May 9, forty-eight days prior to the new primary date, results in a "manifest injustice."

;Before examining the applicable legal principles, we note the practical ramifications flowing from appellant's contention. In practical terms, the "vested right" postulated by appellant is the right to run unopposed. That claimed right contravenes New Jersey's well settled policy in favor of contested elections and voter choice. As we emphasized earlier, the objective of our election laws is to promote "participation in the candidate- selection process, and to give voters more choices in a primary election." Lesniak v. Budzash,

Were we to adopt appellant's argument, our decision would render nugatory this important public policy and reduce the primary election to a choice of one. Nothing in our jurisprudence compels that course.

We are satisfied that applying Chapter 73 retroactively does not deprive appellant of any vested right. Indeed, the statute merely preserves the authority of a vacancy committee to replace a candidate who dies or resigns as long as such action is taken not later than forty-eight days from the date of the primary election. That authority preexisted the enactment of Chapter 73. The only change effected by Chapter 73 is to allow a vacancy committee to make a substitution not later than forty-eight days from the newly scheduled primary election.

Full opinion

So if the New jersey legislature passes a law reducing the 48 days to something like three weeks, this court will have no problem with it.

1,918 posted on 09/30/2002 6:02:00 PM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: StarFan
Right on! Last Saturday, Linda Chavez appearing on The Beltway Boys, mentioned that Torricelli may have bigger fish to fry with the IRS.

My parents have been out all day. When I talked to my dad, the first thing he said is that Torch is in trouble with the IRS. I haven't heard anything about it.

1,919 posted on 09/30/2002 6:02:06 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: way2go
Yes, Toricelli 'misspoke'.......along with all his other sins.
1,920 posted on 09/30/2002 6:02:11 PM PDT by OldFriend
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