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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
But the "white" business tells me a lot.

You were unaware somehow that our forces were segregated ... even down to restricting blacks to Messman only in the Navy, pilots to Tuskegee in the air force and considering the drafting white female nurses they were so reluctant to recruit blacks?

Sad but true. Look it up. Particularly given the fact it occurred well after the Civil War which our Federal Government OSTENSIBLY fought on the issue of slavery -- "all men being created equal" and all that rot -- it's rather odd, don't you think, they'd segregate the armed forces of "democracy" in a fashion to please the most racist Klansman?

I'm so glad you enjoy my posts even you can't understand them. I suspect there are plenty who do, however. I speak for -- and to -- them. It doesn't surprise in the least I can no longer be understood by many who post here. The place has changed quite a bit since I arrived.

It's now a spot where the bodies of aborted children are absolutely verboten (as they are for most liberals on US campuses, the internet, outside abortuaries and on American highways that the Convoy educates) but some Dead American may be used as an exclamation point on a flame.

Which flame evidenced your complete inability to understand the posts of another who sees past Appearances such that he can respect and admire the human dignity of others -- even his enemies, much less the unborn. So, it's possible I'm relieved we don't speak the same language.

One of the reasons I ended up such a Russo-phile upon my initial introduction to militant atheist communism in 6th grade was the counsel of my military father. Sitting in the back yard and listening to me lay into the Soviets with all due Askelian vigor, he reminded me that governments weren't the same as People and that there were probably plenty of young Russian girls, like me, who loved their Dads and whose Dads, as he was, simply were obligated to fight on behalf their nation as the government saw fit .,.. even it meant the Russian Askel's Dad and mine were committed to making the Russian Askel and I fatherless if at all possible.

So -- even as he reared me to be an extraordinarily pro-military sort with an intense love of country -- he also imparted to me the wisdom of restraint that stems from a respect for life and understanding that -- however vastly different folks may be -- they often share the essentials of humanity.

It's important, particularly on the eve of battle, to do what it takes to energize men into killing the enemy. our family has plenty of propaganda on the "Japs" from my great-grandfather Colonel Arthur's collection.

What I find absolutely horrifying today, though, is the way the populace at large strides about speaking in terms of Subhumans when they know damned good and well that our military is moving ever-closer toward the totally utopian fighting machine that are drones ... much less the "Clean Hands" combat that is raining down death somewhat indiscriminately from the skies ... and that our own government can speak of unborn Americans as "excess" individuals.

It would appear there's a certain inhumanity in being Super-Human as well as Sub-Human.

Even my lifelong hero Patton not admired the military genius, courage and valour of his opponents but also respected as human beings the Germans who killed so many of his men.

Patton was not one to lose sight of the Humanity of the individual combatants. And this, primarily, because he was not one to lose sight of the Just War (including that which we failed to prosecute against the Soviets when we could have routed Stalin) or rely on Machines rather than men to fight his battles.

LAMB: Let me read you what [his daughter] Ruth Ellen wrote:

"The war was all around him when he wrote Ma a letter, which shows a side of him that she always saw, but that few others outside his immediate family ever knew existed. He wrote to her that he had been inspecting a battlefield at night, and that the dead soldiers, as yet unclaimed by the burial teams, were lying there in the moonlight.

He said it was hard to tell the Americans and British from the Germans, and they all looked alike: very young and very dead. And he began to think how often their mothers had changed their diapers and wiped their noses, and suddenly the whole concept seemed unbearable. <> And he decided that the only way to survive under such stress was to try to think of soldiers as numbers, not as individuals, and that the sooner the Allies won, the sooner the slaughter of the incidents -- of the innocents would cease. However, no matter what he said, he could never quite do that.

To him, his men were individuals, people and responsibilities, always."


105 posted on 09/29/2002 8:01:51 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
You were unaware somehow that our forces were segregated...

Huh?

I never indicated, in any way, that I was "unaware somehow that our forces were segregated", and I don't need to "look it up". So now you've resorted to fabricating things just to have an excuse to write one of your infamous and painfully rambling posts. Perfect.

106 posted on 09/29/2002 8:15:27 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Askel5
You said you were a Russo-phile as a result of your encounter with militant atheistic communism. I think you meant Russophobe. Unless you LIKE militant atheistic communism? (I'm pretty sure you don't.)
111 posted on 09/29/2002 8:51:58 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: Askel5
I know you admire President Reagan. It was Reagan's pro-life eloquence that re-animated a moribund Republican Party by attracting refugees from families who had always voted Democrat until the Dems became the party of rich white women baby killes and their wimpymale consorts. The Republican Party has feasted upon the hopes (and sweat) of pro-life voters. But unlike the Democrat base, which DOES demand a few scraps from the table from time to time, pro-lifers have received nothing from the Republicans except---rhetoric.

While Reagan's rhetoric may have signified a genuine decency in the man, its main effect was to put the Republican Party back in the game, NOT move the country away from its culture of human sacrifice.

The reallignment of certain portions of the population with the Republican Party--probably impossible without the Reagan persona-- has served the Party well. But, I think in the long run we can see that it has destroyed "conservatism". Maybe those twenty years since Reagan eloquently welcomed the poor, the tired, the meeeming tasses into the loving embrace of the Republican Party, could better have been spent forming a movement with teeth.

Also--and perhaps rudely on this thread that has already been torn to shreds once--did you see this article? It might be useful to examine the record of history in other areas. An interesting foreign policy for a man who so brilliantly spoke of abortion and the conscience of a nation. Perhaps feminists and their enablers will argue that abortion is just realpolitik by other means-----

Yahoo! News Mon, Sep 30, 2002
White House - AP Cabinet & State

U.S. Supplied Germs to Iraq in '80s
Mon Sep 30, 6:34 PM ET

By MATT KELLEY, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Iraq's bioweapons program that President Bush wants to eradicate got its start with help from Uncle Sam two decades ago, according to government records getting new scrutiny in light of the discussion of war against Iraq.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent samples directly to several Iraqi sites that U.N. weapons inspectors determined were part of Saddam Hussein web 's biological weapons program, CDC and congressional records from the early 1990s show. Iraq had ordered the samples, claiming it needed them for legitimate medical research. The CDC and a biological sample company, the American Type Culture Collection, sent strains of all the germs Iraq used to make weapons, including anthrax, the bacteria that make botulinum toxin and the germs that cause gas gangrene, the records show. Iraq also got samples of other deadly pathogens, including the West Nile virus .

The transfers came in the 1980s, when the United States supported Iraq in its war against Iran. They were detailed in a 1994 Senate Banking Committee report and a 1995 follow-up letter from the CDC to the Senate. The exports were legal at the time and approved under a program administered by the Commerce Department ( news - web sites).

"I don't think it would be accurate to say the United States government deliberately provided seed stocks to the Iraqis' biological weapons programs," said Jonathan Tucker, a former U.N. biological weapons inspector.

"But they did deliver samples that Iraq said had a legitimate public health purpose, which I think was naive to believe, even at the time."

The disclosures put the United States in the uncomfortable position of possibly having provided the key ingredients of the weapons America is considering waging war to destroy, said Sen. Robert Byrd , D-W.Va. Byrd entered the documents into the Congressional Record this month. Byrd asked Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld about the germ transfers at a recent Senate Armed Services Committee hearing. Byrd noted that Rumsfeld met Saddam in 1983, when Rumsfeld was President Reagan's Middle East envoy.

"Are we, in fact, now facing the possibility of reaping what we have sown?" Byrd asked Rumsfeld after reading parts of a Newsweek article on the transfers.

"I have never heard anything like what you've read, I have no knowledge of it whatsoever, and I doubt it," Rumsfeld said. He later said he would ask the Defense Department and other government agencies to search their records for evidence of the transfers.

Invoices included in the documents read like shopping lists for biological weapons programs. One 1986 shipment from the Virginia-based American Type Culture Collection included three strains of anthrax, six strains of the bacteria that make botulinum toxin and three strains of the bacteria that cause gas gangrene. Iraq later admitted to the United Nations that it had made weapons out of all three. The company sent the bacteria to the University of Baghdad, which U.N. inspectors concluded had been used as a front to acquire samples for Iraq's biological weapons

The CDC, meanwhile, sent shipments of germs to the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission and other agencies involved in Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. It sent samples in 1986 of botulinum toxin and botulinum toxoid Ñ used to make vaccines against botulinum toxin Ñ directly to the Iraqi chemical and biological weapons complex at al-Muthanna, the records show.

Botulinum toxin is the paralyzing poison that causes botulism. Having a vaccine to the toxin would be useful for anyone working with it, such as biological weapons researchers or soldiers who might be exposed to the deadly poison, Tucker said.

The CDC also sent samples of a strain of West Nile virus to an Iraqi microbiologist at a university in the southern city of Basra in 1985, the records show.

158 posted on 10/02/2002 6:02:08 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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