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State plans $12 billion bond issue(Market not thrilled!)
SF Chronicle ^ | Sept. 28, 2002 | Christian Berthelsen

Posted on 09/28/2002 11:42:51 AM PDT by Robert357

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:41:04 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Rating agencies were lukewarm about the offering, assigning them tepid grades that indicate a relative degree of risk. While several notches above junk status, the bonds were nonetheless rated below California's usual debt grade.

The debt issue will be the largest in municipal bond history, in part repaying $6.5 billion in state funds and $3.5 billion in remaining bank loans that the state took out to buy power on behalf of California utilities, which were no longer able to do so because their credit had been destroyed. The rest will be used for reserves, costs and other issues.


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I spent some time yesterday afternoon explaining the significance of the bond ratings to a person on the SF Chronical staff and provided that person with some websites for the Fitch and S&P reports.

This is perhaps the closest to the truth that one is likely to see in print from a California newspaper.

I suspect that the Gov's office has already called the paper and demanded to have certain folks fired! The Sunday business section should be an interesting read tomorrow. The business writers probably understand better than most what this is all about.

1 posted on 09/28/2002 11:42:51 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: Robert357; Dog Gone; snopercod; Ernest_at_the_Beach; randita; Grampa Dave
Note: I removed the "fluff from the article" as I thought I would be required to have just an exerpt. Read the full article or the shortened version I have posted.

Davis folks should be hopping mad that someone dares to print the truth. Especially when it is not a pretty story.

Let's hear it for the Business Page!

2 posted on 09/28/2002 11:46:07 AM PDT by Robert357
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Has Davis sold off any of his future "tobacco money" as DemocRAT candidate for governor of Maryland (Kathleen Kennedy Townsend) is planning to do if elected - and as some other states have done?

Her new plan to get rid of a $1.7 billion projected deficit is to sell off 10% of the approx. $150 million per year that Maryland gets at 72 cents on the dollar and to authorize the legislature to sell off another 30%.

To me, it's like AIDS patients selling their insurance policies for ready cash.
3 posted on 09/28/2002 11:56:23 AM PDT by jackbill
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4 posted on 09/28/2002 12:04:31 PM PDT by ChadGore
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Has Davis sold off any of his future "tobacco money"

The yeild on those California revenue bonds was around 6%, which is a pretty high cost of money.

They are robbing Paul to pay Peter and the future be damned.

5 posted on 09/28/2002 12:10:26 PM PDT by Robert357
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I spent some time yesterday afternoon explaining the significance of the bond ratings to a person on the SF Chronical staff and provided that person with some websites for the Fitch and S&P reports.

It's completely amazing to me that it would be necessary to do that.

Maybe for the York, Nebraska Weekly Cornhusk, but not for the SF Chronicle.

Good work, nonetheless!

6 posted on 09/28/2002 12:19:38 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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Has Davis sold off any of his future "tobacco money" as DemocRAT candidate for governor of Maryland (Kathleen Kennedy Townsend) is planning to do if elected - and as some other states have done?

Oh yeah. He sold bonds that will be repaid from the tobacco money in order to balance this year's budget.

7 posted on 09/28/2002 12:29:50 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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It wasn't the reporter who did this story.

It was an editor and I suggested he team a business reporter with a political reporter to do an indepth story. I am hoping that the Suday paper will have an interesting story.

The editor told me they were thinking of doing more stories (beyond the Friday story) on this topic, but intended to wait until the bond issue official was on the street and bonds were being offered. I tried to explain that there was still a heck of a story to tell, just in what the rating agencies had said.

8 posted on 09/28/2002 12:33:09 PM PDT by Robert357
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I'm not sure that it will sink in to the average reader just how significant this is. It would probably be clearer if the article could have said "the state will have to pay X% which is Y% much more than it would have had to pay if its bond ratings weren't in the toilet." Unfortunately, that wasn't possible since they don't yet know the ultimate interest rate.

Anyway, the using of this money to pay off earlier debts and new costs strikes me as akin to getting a new credit card and using it to pay off the last one while running up even higher charges.

9 posted on 09/28/2002 12:34:35 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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They are robbing Paul to pay Peter and the future be damned.

Why should GRAY OUT care? He has no future in Office. He will leave Simon the headache of trying to repay his bungled finances. All the while blaming Simon and the Republicans for it. Needs to be a serious campaign issue....Californias Future....How our state became an indentured servant.(Not that my state is in any better shape thanks to the damn democrooks!)

10 posted on 09/28/2002 12:56:48 PM PDT by Madcelt
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I'm surprised that an editor would condescend to talk to a "mere civilian". (After all, they are a superior breed.)

I'm sure you have noticed that the silence from the Wall Street Journal is deafening. Clearly, that rag has gone over to the dark side.

It's too bad I had to let my subscription to Investor's Business Daily lapse. Now there's a paper that is not afraid to print the truth.

11 posted on 09/28/2002 1:22:30 PM PDT by snopercod
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Has Davis sold off any of his future "tobacco money"?

Yes. He is borrowing against anticipated tobacco revenues.

He has also "borrowed" against the California Employees Retirement Fund, the State Teachers Retirement Fund, the Dentists Retirement Fund, the pop-bottle deposit fund, and the Highway Trust Fund (this last in direct violation of a people's initiative which prohibited such things.)

12 posted on 09/28/2002 1:26:17 PM PDT by snopercod
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One big legacy ol Gray wishes wasn't there.........
13 posted on 09/28/2002 1:29:00 PM PDT by litehaus
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14 posted on 09/28/2002 1:48:52 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Would these still be an acceptable risk for an individual investor? Say I buy a house tomorrow, and lock in a low interest rate. Then instead of overpaying the mortgage payments, I pay the minimum, and buy some California bonds paying a higher return than I am paying on the mortgage. That way California pays the interest on my mortgage. Is California stable enough for this to work?
15 posted on 09/28/2002 2:06:36 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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In part, the rate will be determined by investor demand, as well as the ratings.

We're skrewed!
DUMP DAVI$



GO SIMON
16 posted on 09/28/2002 3:11:01 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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...condescend to talk to a "mere civilian"

I too was surprised, but I offered websites for Fitch and SW&P and tried to make things as easy as possible. Who knows, maybe somebody was looking for a story to fill space? Anyway, anytime they respond back and ask questions I will respond. I got three e-mails from the editor after my initial email and it responded to every question and provided easy to check references and made suggestions as to the significance. It was amazing.

17 posted on 09/28/2002 4:40:52 PM PDT by Robert357
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...Would these still be an acceptable risk for an individual investor?

If you purchased the guaranteed bonds, yes. If you purchased the others, it would depend on your situation. In reality, the only individuals who should buy these are wealthy Californians who can use the tax exempt income as a way to avoid state income tax. You need to be careful because of the Min alternate tax. If I lived in CA and were in the market for tax exempt bonds, I would pick something else, but that is just me. If others feel the same way the State will have to pay a premium on its interest rate or the bonds will be heavily discounted, either way the yeild will need to increase, if demand isn't strong.

18 posted on 09/28/2002 4:45:38 PM PDT by Robert357
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Is California stable enough for this to work?

The question is, "Do you have enough cash on hand to make a down payment on a California home, PLUS an amount equal to the total loan amount with which to purchase bonds."

If so, my hat's off to you, sir.

19 posted on 09/28/2002 4:47:14 PM PDT by snopercod
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One big legacy ol Gray wishes wasn't there.........

I expect that the telephone lines from Sac to SF were burning today as folks on the Gov's staff screamed at the Editorial Board of the Chronicle. It will be interesting to see what the SF Chronicle says tomorrow.

20 posted on 09/28/2002 4:47:23 PM PDT by Robert357
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