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Perhaps you didn't understand at all what I've been saying, perhaps you misunderstood me. On that theory I'll clarify.

I'm saying that it is bigotry on the part of americans to want to set up special rules in the labor market for one part of the labor market, high tech & engineering work. American citizens cannot sell their labor in 6 year blocks of time, the law will not recognize such contracts. If you sign a contract selling your labor in 6 year time slots, then you want to leave after 2 years, the courts will let you leave, so big companies cannot buy american labor in 6 year time slots, but they can buy h1b labor in 6 year time slots. The government itself has put americans at a disadvantage in their own nation's marketplace through this program. About half the people hiring in this market understand that hiring an h1b is not a good deal for their situation. The other half prefer h1b's over americans. Since half the market is gone and since it is an inherently difficult market so many americans, as you said, are finding that this market just doesn't make sense for them. When young americans en masse see they are shafted both by h1b and management that doesn't appreciate their talents and abilities, they will not train themselves for this market. When that happens the goose that laid the golden egg will be killed, and killed both by a government program and by the greed/bigotry of the managers in this market. You said this is a possibility, I said that it was obvious to me that this was a probability and that I knew this years ago.

Many people who grow up in america develop a prejudice where they think that people who study engineering, math, physics and use that disciplined thinking required in this type of work are inferior people because they do that hard work and yet are going to work for managers who will make the real money. Many managers have contempt for the engineering talent, this is a subtle reality IMHO. We didn't develop special labor market rules for that market to sand-bag these people for nothing you know, it is bigotry that drives the whole thing. A large source of the whole problem that has led to h1b is techno-phobia in reality. Many people who've done this type of work over a period of time have concluded these things.

It is president bush who says that if you oppose h1b, then you are a racist. I don't think that. I think the supporters of h1b are the bigots. They want special standards in this one labor market. I'm opposed to h1b because it is unjust to americans, because it is counter-productive in the process of procuring star talent to do this work and because it is bad for the american economy.

Some people above said that there is no market inside of america for doing engineering, building software, maintaining computer systems. They use this prejudice as justification for h1b. They say 'well, it doesn't matter,there's no market foryour labor anyway'. That is a big fat lie.

A lot of people dont' realize how bad h1b is for economy. It diverts about 8 or so billion directly from social security fund to outside the country by giving to the source country's government the money that would normally go to social security. On top of that it reduces wages by one third or so for at least a million people. Econometric studies do not show that to be a positive thing for the domestic economy. Many h1b's send a lot of money home and do so for many years after arriving. h1b's literally live 4 to an apartment and do not support an american family. But americans working that job usually support an entire american household if not more than that. One study said that the loss to tax coffers inside of america due toh1b was 17 billion dollars.

This is a program that harms us as a nation, as a people. And bigoted people justify it by saying that americans who do this type of work can't compete, aren't smart enough, aren't qualified, or there is no market for their labor anyway. There is no objective evidence at all for any of these beliefs. In fact Matloff has disproved it all systematically, if you look at #2 above you'll see link.

I was not attacking you, I was agreeing with your assertion that this might hurt america in long run.

You're either too sensitive, thinking I was attacking you, or you're wrapped up in pc attitudes. Either way, this is how rotten the pc crowd is, look they've got us at each other's throats. The government should not intervene into the labor market to pick winners and losers, every labor market should operate under same rules, we should have no indentured servants, only free labor by american citizens. If we live by these rules that we've prospered with for so long, then we can live together peacefully, happily and prosperously.