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2 push for reparations using very different approaches **[All they want is $4-$10 Trillion]**
The Cleveland Plain Dealer ^ | 9-25-02 | Jonathan Tilove

Posted on 09/25/2002 5:08:08 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

In 1969, a black Harvard MBA by the name of Richard America wrote a provocative piece for the Harvard Business Review. Titled "What Do You People Want," it suggested ways that the government could transfer control of large businesses - say a division of General Motors - from whites to blacks.

A year earlier, in Detroit, Richard Henry, a technical writer with the Army's Tank-automotive and Armaments Command, changed his name to Imari Obadele and helped found the Republic of New Afrika with the goal of wresting control of five Deep South states and creating a separate black nation.

To most, these are far-fetched ideas, then and now, propounded by two rather obscure people. But in the last third of a century, America and Obadele each played pivotal roles in lifting the idea of reparations for the descendants of slavery from the realm of the fanciful to the merely improbable, pushing the issue from the fringe to the forefront of the black agenda.

For a cause that has been around since the moment of emancipation, the reparations movement's newfound prominence and respectability represent a remarkable turn of events. Together, America and Obadele, the button-down bureaucrat and the revolutionary nationalist, show the extraordinary breadth of the idea's appeal within the black community. That range is the source of the movement's internal tensions and power.

Now 72, Obadele has been indispensable in channeling the free-floating fervor about reparations into a national grass-roots crusade.

At 64, America has in books, papers and articles carefully calculated "What White America Owes Black America," to borrow the subtitle of his 1993 book, "Paying the Social Debt." He has detailed ways that the debt, which he then put at between $4 trillion and $10 trillion, might be paid over time.

America served 20 years in the U.S. Commerce Department and Small Business Administration, beginning in the Carter administration, developing policies to energize distressed communities, even as he thought and wrote about restitution theory and encouraged other intellectuals to do the same. He now teaches in the business school at Georgetown University.

Obadele served five years in Mississippi jails and three different federal prisons after a 1971 raid on the Republic of New Afrika's headquarters and residence in Jackson, Miss., ended in the shooting death of a police officer. Obadele, as president of the Republic, was found to be conspiratorially culpable for the crime. After his release from prison, Obadele got his bachelor's, master's and doctorate at Temple University and ended up teaching political science at Prairie View A&M University, a historically black college near Houston, retiring last spring. He lives in Baton Rouge, La.

Obadele considers himself a citizen of the Republic of New Afrika, of which he is now minister of foreign affairs, and for which even now is looking to buy land in Louisiana or Mississippi. He believes that when slaves were freed, they should have been offered a choice of returning to Africa, creating a new nation in America or becoming U.S. citizens instead of having that citizenship forced upon them with the 14th Amendment.

America, who as near as he can determine is descended from an America who escaped to freedom on the eve of the American Revolution, frames reparations as an act of justice but also an act of healing that will make the nation whole. He says the vast majority of Americans must support reparations for it to take place.

Despite their different trajectories, Obadele and America started out in very much the same place, Philadelphia. Obadele grew up in South Philly and America in North Philly, but both attended Central High School, so renowned for its academics it was known as the "People's College." Obadele graduated in 1946, one of six blacks in his class, and America in 1956, one of five blacks in his class.

Their paths have crossed occasionally. Most notably, on Sept. 11, 1987, they were both on a reparations panel at a symposium of the National Conference of Black Lawyers held at Harvard to mark the 200th anniversary of the U.S. Constitution. That discussion led Obadele and his RNA comrades to launch N'COBRA - the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America.

Historically, the reparations movement has inhabited a cathartic, hard-edged emotional space distant from the practical politics of the day.

Only four years ago, leading President Clinton's Initiative on Race, historian John Hope Franklin said it was pointless even to discuss reparations, a "subject that's so lacking in support." But, this summer, appearing on a C-SPAN call-in show, Franklin defended the cause.

In each session of Congress since 1989, Rep. John Conyers, a Michigan Democrat, has introduced legislation to create a national commission to study reparations. It has gone nowhere but now has nearly 50 co-sponsors and in recent years has been endorsed by city councils in Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas, Detroit, Baltimore, St. Louis and Nashville, Tenn., and, last spring, in an unusual two-day editorial, by the Philadelphia Inquirer.

In 2000, Randall Robinson, who spearheaded the movement in the United States to end apartheid in South Africa, published "The Debt: What America Owes to Blacks." Together with Harvard Law Professor Charles Ogletree, Johnnie Cochran and others, Robinson formed the Reparations Coordinating Committee to develop litigation against both private companies and the government.

America, who has completed work on his next book, "Unjust Enrichment: Solving the Race Problem," was brought on board.

To some, the movement was spurred to new seriousness when in 1988 Congress passed legislation apologizing to Japanese-Americans interned during World War II, paying each of them $20,000 in restitution.

In 1998, Obadele and two other RNA officials filed their own claims, arguing that what had happened to blacks was far worse and that equal justice required that they and others like them also be paid. They were turned down and went to court.

In an April 24 decision, Chief Judge Lawrence Baskir of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims ruled against them. But, he wrote, "Make no mistake, the plaintiffs have made a powerful case for redress" that could form the basis of "future legislation providing for reparations for slavery." Obadele's attorney (his great-nephew Maynard Henry Sr. of Alexandria, Va.) has appealed Baskir's decision.

To America, the Japanese case is not a particularly useful precedent because the black experience, with slavery and 100 years of legal discrimination thereafter, is so much broader. America also does not think the rhetoric and histrionics of many reparations advocates is helpful.

"There's a lot of goofy discussion, which makes people crazy," he said. He tried to work with the N'COBRA legal team for a while but found it a bad fit.

"They are good people, they have big hearts, they want justice," America said. "But I don't think they have got an analytical handle on this. They're outraged at what happened. I understand that." But, he said, "I'm trying to reach the gray flannel folks."

Wringing the anger out of his analysis, he said, eliminates the defensiveness that anger inevitably provokes. "I can make this presentation to any audience and we can have a grown-up discussion."


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To: Piquaboy
How about giving them the country of Iraq?

That is the Palestinian State. Give 'em Zimbabwe.

21 posted on 09/25/2002 6:30:36 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: boris
Would Jesse Jackson sign such a document?

Of course not. Some black liberal writters have already said "Lets not ask for reparations, because if we do, then we won't be able to guilt trip everyoen anymore, and keep getting goodies."
22 posted on 09/25/2002 6:34:28 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Well, well - look at this little gem:
"The Republic of New Afrika declared Black People's independence because it "believes that Black People in Amerikkka make up a nation of people, a people separate and apart from the Amerikkkan people.

The RNA also believes that as a nation of people, We are entitled to all of the rights of a nation, including the right to land and self-determination. The RNA further believes that all the land in Amerikkka, upon which Black People have lived for a long time, worked and made rich as slaves, and fought to survive on is land that belongs to Us as a People, and it is land We must gain control of because, as Malcolm X said, land is the basis of independence, freedom, justice and equality. We cannot talk about self-determination without discussing it within the context of land.

Therefore, the RNA [identified the five states of Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina as Black People's land and] believes that gaining control of Our land is the fundamental struggle facing Black People. Without land, Black Power, rights and freedom have no substance."

Source: RNA website

Bottom line: the founder is a delusional carpetbagger from Detroit trying to exploit the South.

23 posted on 09/25/2002 6:36:43 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; Teacher317; ...
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24 posted on 09/25/2002 6:36:43 AM PDT by mhking
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To: goldstategop
Better yet... Egypt. I hear tell they built the pyramids. :^D
25 posted on 09/25/2002 6:38:36 AM PDT by johnny7
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26 posted on 09/25/2002 6:39:56 AM PDT by artios
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To: Audit_Jesse; 3AngelaD; eyes_only
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27 posted on 09/25/2002 6:40:05 AM PDT by adam stevens
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To: OldSmaj
In reality, it's a great issue for conservatives, and I would suggest that everybody who is running for public office should be required to state their position on reparations. Can you imagine the squirming among the Dems?
28 posted on 09/25/2002 6:47:42 AM PDT by Lightnin
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More from the website - you can take courses on Black Nationalism. This one sounds pretty good:
Not Dark White: The 411 on Black Nationalism, taught by Mbu Mbulu

I'm not making this stuff up...


29 posted on 09/25/2002 6:50:28 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
If some of these greedy, racists blacks think they deserve trillions, then let's pay them what their African cousins have...nothing. Africa is a poor, very poor, land. I'd say blacks have far more than their cousins in Africa ever have had.
30 posted on 09/25/2002 6:57:33 AM PDT by Scruffy
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
If they get reparations, I want a slave.
31 posted on 09/25/2002 6:58:16 AM PDT by Scruffy
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Mugabe Zimbabwe bump. You have the right to remain silent, ignorant and opposed to these monkeys. KIll em all.
32 posted on 09/25/2002 7:01:41 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Scruffy
If they get reparations, I want a slave.

eek...that some strong words :)

33 posted on 09/25/2002 7:01:54 AM PDT by MetalHeadConservative35
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To: deathscythex
Hey, I only want what I am paying for.
34 posted on 09/25/2002 7:05:08 AM PDT by Scruffy
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To: stainlessbanner
Therefore, the RNA [identified the five states of Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina as Black People's land and] believes that gaining control of Our land is the fundamental struggle facing Black People.

Y'all come take it if you think you're froggy enough. And once you start, I'm sure the Indians won't mind either, since it was THEIR land first. I wonder if they'll let black descendants of black slaveowners live there as well?

35 posted on 09/25/2002 7:18:34 AM PDT by billbears
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
the reparations movement's newfound prominence and respectability

I think the media feels if they just keep repeating this often enough it'll become true.

36 posted on 09/25/2002 8:02:17 AM PDT by Randjuke
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; dead; Registered; MSSC6644; vinylsidingman
America is very successful, who would want to mug a loser. The same idea is at work here, its basically, a mugging. The same mentality as a mugger, and they want to intimidate an mug guilt ridden whites of whatever they can get.

Its the lack of a proper response that encourages this. I once thought this would go away. The idea of bilking the supposed slave owners out of valuables seems as attractive as Communism is. Neither of them will die a quick death.

I propose a new sit-com with the premise of arguing this out[Reparations for blacks], a Black, an Oriental, a Latino and a White, the sex does'nt matter to me. Not only would the comedy be delicious, the abject sillyness of these ideas would be implied not shouted. O.K. you can see the sillness already, as I can. Most are not so intuitive. While we're at it, a sit-com arguing Communism would'nt be a bad idea either. After all both the premises are ludicrous in the extreme, its just that the rank and file can't put it in the proper words to explain them. Let's help. Some would watch because it pisses them off to hear the truth, some because they did'nt want to miss anything.

The actors would be the new Archie Bunkers. Norman Lear would not be a good boss-man but Alan Keyes would be, as an afterthought. Obviously, a conservative mindset would be required, to achieve a beneficial result.

37 posted on 09/25/2002 8:02:21 AM PDT by hosepipe
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I consider Alan Keyes, Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams possessed of three of the finest minds extant today. In case you don’t know them, all are black.

So far as I can tell, Keyes, Sowell and Williams oppose this idiotic call for reparations.

Those who are NOT descended from AMERICAN slaves need to sit down and shut up. Under even the most tortured, leftist, idiotic (redundant!) logic (oxymoron!), these people have no standing. And those who ARE descendants of slaves now calling for reparations need to remember a few things:

They should not only be glad to be in America, they should be glad to be ON THE PLANET! Had their forebears NOT been sold to the slave traders, the blood of their ancestors would have run into the earth over there several centuries ago. Their ancestors would have been killed outright or worked to death by the OTHER black who captured them in one of the interminable tribal wars still raging on that sad continent. These modern day would-be "plaintiffs" would not even exist.

And should the great-great-great grandchildren of the approximately 3,000 SLAVE OWNING BLACK plantation owners in this country also be subject to PAYING reparations?

If so, how do we find THEM?

Robert Hitt Neill tells of attending a Tennessee Mountain Writer’s Conference years ago with several other authors. Among them was Alex Hailey, celebrated author of “Roots.” Watching a TV news show, a group of them watched a demonstration in a Southern state against the “Rebel” flag incorporated into that state’s flag. The very next report covered a famine in Africa. Graphic images showed dead bodies, starving children with distended tummies and runny noses and dying people covered with flies, too weak to brush them away.

Mr. Hailey intoned in a low, serious voice:
“Every time an American black sees a story like that, they should find a Confederate flag and kiss it.” He then pointed to the TV screen and continued, “Because these would be me and my descendants, except for American slavery. I thank God that my family and I are here instead of there.”

What about the millions STILL living in slavery, held there by members of THEIR OWN RACE in Africa and elsewhere today?

Do you suppose THEY are NOT targets of these reparations whores because they have little or nothing of value for which they can be EXTORTED?

And how about the MILLIONS of WHITES and ASIANS who have slavery in their backgrounds?

Next problem!

38 posted on 09/25/2002 8:11:41 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I hope you are correct and the democraps adopt a plank for reparations, it will be the end of the democrap party.
39 posted on 09/25/2002 8:50:49 AM PDT by Texbob
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To: STONEWALLS
i'll HAPPILY give him NY,MA,CT,RI & NJ.

they could call it "the socialist peoples republic of damnyankeeland", as that SEEMS to be what the voters want up there.

free dixie,sw

40 posted on 09/25/2002 9:03:56 AM PDT by stand watie
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