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Don't Start the Second Gulf War
National Review Online ^ | 8-12-02 | Doug Bandow

Posted on 09/24/2002 11:51:53 AM PDT by Protagoras

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To: AUgrad
Let me post a pic that argues the merits of the article, and hopefully bring you guys back to reality.

Look closely, you can see humans. They are Americans. What are you?


101 posted on 09/24/2002 1:05:50 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: stuartcr
"Except for the innocent ones that got killed."

Lets extrapolate that line of logic to all battles ever engaged.

102 posted on 09/24/2002 1:06:55 PM PDT by iranger
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To: stuartcr
I would suggest that you ask those living under the Taliban if they would rather be dead.

And why would their opinions outweigh those who celebrated the Talibans defeat. Particularly in a country founded on "Give me liberty or give me death."

103 posted on 09/24/2002 1:06:59 PM PDT by ExpandNATO
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
First point - no evidence provided to you. You're not in intelligence, nor are you in any decision making capacity which requires risking information sources in order to trust you

True. Yet we are being asked to blindly trust our leaders who are career politicians. I try, yet cannot muster such blind faith. I've been taught all of my life to take anything that comes from a politicians mouth with a grain of salt.Now they expect lockstep consent. Not from me.

104 posted on 09/24/2002 1:07:05 PM PDT by AUgrad
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To: ThomasJefferson
(Continuing my Best Stuffy British Accent...)

Ahem, yes...you're very welcome Old Boy.

Can you believe the guile? Such insolence from the pee-ons. I must say in my day they would've received a good thrashing for such remarks. Who are they to speak ill of another? The hubris of youth I say! As if simple Americans knew what their Statesmen were really doing & why.

Bullocks!

It is we'ee who are the masters of fate...not mere citizens...we'ee direct the machinations of freedom...we'ee discern the intent total & complete of elders long past.

Harumgh! Jolly good bearing TJ, jolly good.

105 posted on 09/24/2002 1:07:47 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: iconoclast
Hey it's only 3:15! Are you on the sauce already?

I wish.

If Doug Bandow is too "liberal" for you, who the hell do you read while forming your opinions besides GWB?

I don't know who Doug Bandow is. I just looked him up and saw that he works for Cato. Fee fi fo fum. I smell a libertarian. I found some pearls of wisdom from Mr. Bandow, circa 1998:

The GOP viewpoint seems to be captured by the lament of North Carolina Rep. Walter Jones: ''The U.S. military that won the Cold War and the Gulf War no longer exists.''

But there's no reason why that military should still exist. The Cold War is over. America won. Even though the world remains dangerous, it isn't particularly dangerous to the United States.

Monday, December 7, was the 57th anniversary of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor that thrust the U.S. into World War II. But the world, and America's place in it, is much different today.

He's got a college degree. He was a bureacrat for Ronald Reagan. I'm not saying he is ignorant. I'm not saying he is a liberal. I am simply saying his arguments are the same as Phil Donahue's.

106 posted on 09/24/2002 1:07:53 PM PDT by Huck
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To: ThomasJefferson
President Thomas Jefferson said: "it will be a subject for consideration whether, on satisfactory evidence that any tribe means to strike us, we shall not anticipate by giving them the first blow".

So, do you agree with our Founder, and just want what you consider "satisfactory evidnce"?

107 posted on 09/24/2002 1:08:06 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: stuartcr
Everyone has an opinion

What kind of reply was that?

Let me ask you, and see what your opinion is:

What would you have done in 1938, regarding Hitler? And mind you, back then they did not have WMD as people like him (Saddam) do now.

Lovingly waiting for your reply...

108 posted on 09/24/2002 1:08:10 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: rintense
Did they actually say that to you, or did you read it somewhere?
109 posted on 09/24/2002 1:08:25 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: savedbygrace
No, that was an accident on my part.
110 posted on 09/24/2002 1:09:35 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: ThomasJefferson
but my trust in governments in light of the past, is less certain than yours

What has GW Bush done "in light of the past" in the WoT that draws this conclusion for you? I think some people live in fear.

111 posted on 09/24/2002 1:09:49 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RolandBurnam
Presumably, you include babies as some of the "sand nazis" who should be nuked. If so, pretty sick.
112 posted on 09/24/2002 1:10:37 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: ThomasJefferson
Probably the best, at least the most fearsome, argument for overthrowing Saddam is the prospect of Baghdad developing weapons of mass destruction. Yet if nonproliferation should be enforced by war, Washington will be very busy in the coming years.

The problem is not just countries like Iran and North Korea, which seem to have or have had serious interest in developing atomic weapons. It is China, which could use them in any conflict with the U.S. over, say, Taiwan. And India, Pakistan, and Russia, which face unpredictable nationalist and theological currents, enjoy governments of varying instability, and offer uncertain security over technical know-how as well as weapons.

Considering that it only took a few years in the early 1940s for scientists without previous experience, computers, designs or advanced materials to conceptualize, design and fabricate a nuclear bomb, I find the forced absence of inspectors since 1998 (4 years ago) prusuant to surrender terms more than disturbing.

As for the others, the ones who have it, have it. We can't do anything about that, because the genie is out. My gut feeling is that the Iraqis are closest to having one done - and thte rest can be dealt with at a later date.

113 posted on 09/24/2002 1:11:12 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Last Gulf War. I'm as red-blooded as you, a vet, and work in the defense industry.
114 posted on 09/24/2002 1:11:38 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: ThomasJefferson
The government has not said it was contemplating attack because of the terrorism on 9-11-2001

WTF? If that is the basis of your posting and thoughts, then forget it, it ain't worth the time...

Removing Saddam is a part of the War on Terrorism. Do you know what started that? Did we? Good grief. You can't be serious.

115 posted on 09/24/2002 1:11:43 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: hchutch
I'm sorry for acting like a jerk then.
116 posted on 09/24/2002 1:11:53 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: rintense
And I'd like to add that I also believe that the top party leaders have also seen more evidence that we haven't even heard about. Why else would the Dems be caving?

Even if they hadn't, they run the risk that WHEN we are attacked again that any connection (and their will be some connection) either direct or indirect to Iraq will spell their complete defeat as a viable national party. After all the 20/20 hindsight stuff they imposed on Bush will come back to destroy their credibility.

Can you imagine Bush in front of a photo of a destroyed nuclear plant saying that "I could of got the crawdad in his hole if I was just given the authority".

117 posted on 09/24/2002 1:11:55 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
That's a pretty lame argument. I thought OBL and AQ were responsible for that. I've seen no proof of Iraq's involvement other than "because we said so". Although if your intention is to evoke an emotional response based on no verifiable facts I guess you did OK.
118 posted on 09/24/2002 1:12:32 PM PDT by AUgrad
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To: agrace
I'm sure that what you think is very important to an Afghani herder with a family.
119 posted on 09/24/2002 1:13:27 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
The government has not said it was contemplating attack because of the terrorism on 9-11-2001

Please demonstrate that this is false or withdraw. Thank you.

120 posted on 09/24/2002 1:13:41 PM PDT by Protagoras
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