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To: nicollo
This article was posted about two weeks ago (and it's been posted again since). If you want to you can read the Senate's own interpretation of why the amendment was passed.

One reason why the amendment was passed was that state legislatures were regarded as corrupt, and the election of Senators as particularly corrupt. Of course corruption still exists, but remember that these were the old pre-reapportionment legislatures in which one or more sparcely populated counties might have as many votes as Hartford, Cleveland, or Atlanta. Had reapportionment come first, it's just possible that indirect election could have survived the storm of the Progressive onslaught, but one or the other was inevitable, and the courts hadn't taken yet the power to enforce one man one vote.

Also, a little money went a long way in Nevada, North Dakota, or West Virginia. Farmers in some states complained that the railroads had more influence in selecting the Senators than they did. I suppose a little money still can, comparatively speaking, buy a Senate seat in a small state, but the money goes into television advertising and not into direct bribes. Actual bribery offends in a way that today's campaign contributions don't.

Zywicki's theory has a lot of problems, but I think he does carry one point. Senators themselves, those who survived reelection, grew in stature after the amendment. Every Senator became a potential President, and every senatorial election became a dry run at the presidency. This wasn't the case before direct election. And though it seems like almost every Senator has presidential ambitions, only two Senators have gone directly to the Presidency, both since the 17th Amendment -- Harding and Kennedy -- and their careers show the qualities that voters have selected Senators for: good looks and smooth, ingratiating manners. Direct election was in the interest of the Senators who would survive it and of those politicians who thought or dreamed that they could win Senate seats for themselves.

For the Progressives, popular election was the source of all legitimacy. They would have by-passed and watered down the Senate's powers if they couldn't win direct election. And that's probably the chief criticism of repealing the 17th. If Senators were again indirectly elected, they'd have to take a backseat to the directly elected House and the nationally elected President. Given the way people have thought since the Progressives, an indirectly elected Senate -- like its counterparts in Britain and elsewhere -- would find itself marginalized and stripped of power. On the other hand, we wouldn't have so many Senators clamoring for television time and scheming to become President.

One idea that came up on the previous thread was increasing the size of the House to 1000 or 3000 members. Given such a large body, elections would cost less per seat. Big contributions and television money would matter less. Representatives would be closer to the people and have fewer perks. There would be fewer career legislatures and more openings for outsiders. At least that's the theory. It seems to be born out by the experience of some of the older states that downsized their lower houses and found politicians becoming more professional, more ambitious, and more favorable to higher taxes.

69 posted on 09/25/2002 9:18:21 PM PDT by x
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To: x; Huck
Thanks for the guidance, as ever.

I think Prof. Z is on to something here regarding corruption. The Senate history link you gave says that "Nine bribery cases were brought before the Senate between 1866 and 1906." Honestly, that's not very many. I happen to know that from 1906 to 1912, there was one bribery cae brought (and three were from 1904-1906; therefore from 1866 to 1904, there were six). I would surmise that corruption has morphed into different channels. I can't say for sure, but humans are humans, and Democrats are Democrats.

I'm sorry I missed the other thread. I recall bumping it for later reading that I never caught. Anyway, to increase the representation in the House wouldn't change the delilatory effect of the 17th. The House is a Federal office; the Senate is intended as a State office. Don't matter how many Congressitters there are if the Senate is a Federal slave as well. Besides, having more Congressmen will only increase the value of individual controllers of minority-run elections. A population increase in the House would only result in more incumbants with more job security than ever.

You are correct to assert that State legislatures were unfairly balanced towards rural districts. But that problem had been corrected by the time the 17th was enacted. In that sense, the amendment was a solution to a problem that was already resolved. Didn't Robert LaFollette, Hiram Johnson, and Woodrow Wilson succeed in their reforms in their States before its enactment? That is, hadn't the railroads already succombed to normal politics?

That Senate history link reads like Hofstadter's "Age of Reform." The most interesting thing to note, aside from the fact that Dr. Z is wrong, and that it was essentially a Populist Party measure, is that the House capitulated in 1912, an election year. That particular election year featured our dear friend, T. Roosevelt, who was mouthing off about direct democracy. He was wrong, and the 17th Amendment is still wrong.

You correctly note that the only Senators to have gone directly from the Senate to the White House came after the 17th. Certainly, but that's only a reflection of the changed nature of a Senator than of the purpose of the Senate. You couldn't have put it better than, "On the other hand, we wouldn't have so many Senators clamoring for television time and scheming to become President." Lol!

Your post is full of and demanding of thought. Thanks.

And, "Down with the 17th!" (and if it makes Huck happy, take it away from the chicks, too).
73 posted on 09/25/2002 10:05:31 PM PDT by nicollo
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