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Saddam must be stopped - Blair (PM SAYS: IT'S WAR)
BBC News ^ | September 23, 2002 | BBC News

Posted on 09/23/2002 3:29:33 PM PDT by MadIvan

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To: MJY1288
" I believe Tony Blair has a friend in George W. Bush, Something he was lacking in X42 "

clinton wrote a column for a British paper this past week, where he ranted on and on( like a jealous 14 yr old girl) that Tony Blair was HIS friend and that the clintons and the Blairs get together often and "gossip" ( read-we trash the Bush's). It was unbelievable that this column was written by a man and even more jaw dropping,that it was written by a former( Thank You,God) POTUS.
41 posted on 09/23/2002 7:08:24 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Jorge
In those WWII days, the Germans were real fighters too, even if it was in a bad cause. Not just on the front lines, but the civilians in German cities put up with a lot worse than London had to suffer. Something seems to have happened to the Germans.
42 posted on 09/23/2002 7:11:11 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
Got a link? If the column was as you describe it, I've got to wonder what Blair makes of it.
43 posted on 09/23/2002 7:12:14 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: marvlus
According to the report, Blair didn't want to embarrass Schroeder, and the plan was for Schroeder to abandon his opposition to the war after the election was over. Doesn't look as if Schroeder is going to carry out the latter part of the deal.
44 posted on 09/23/2002 7:13:23 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
They've seen the dossier and yet still some Labour members are opposed

Sounds as if it's just a few backbenchers.

45 posted on 09/23/2002 7:14:47 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: MJY1288
I think Tony Blair has come to trust Bush. From things he has said that seemed to refer to Clinton, it can be inferred that he now sees how important trust and honesty are in a leader -- and is striving to show the same himself. I wouldn't be surprised if he switched parties, nor if the 'switch' were involuntary. He certainly doesn't talk like a Labourite anymore!
46 posted on 09/23/2002 7:26:46 PM PDT by Jerez2
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To: texasbluebell
If I remember correctly, Gore never even got an undergrad degree.
48 posted on 09/23/2002 7:34:28 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: VRWC_minion
Ah, the lessons that history can teach, if only we will listen. Reruns are really quite boring.
49 posted on 09/23/2002 8:11:53 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: MadIvan
To paraphrase Frodo in "LORD OF THE RINGS": We are glad you are with us.

GOD BLESS AMERICA & UK.
50 posted on 09/23/2002 8:19:11 PM PDT by Copperhead61
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To: MadIvan
here is the same article as it appeared in the times online... a little longer and more details... especially that the cabinet NOW agrees in the headline... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-425294,00.html

September 24, 2002

Saddam must be stopped, Cabinet agrees

  • Blair is go-between in US-German rift

TONY BLAIR brought the Cabinet doubters over Iraq into line last night by telling ministers that the policy of containment had failed and that Saddam Hussein had to be stopped.

He secured an important boost on the eve of today’s Commons emergency debate by persuading ministers to accept that military action would be needed if the United Nations route to a solution failed.

His success came after a 20-minute private meeting with the leading dove, Clare Short, and a 90-minute Cabinet discussion in which he outlined the key findings of the long-awaited dossier on Iraq's weapons stockpile that will be published at 8am today.

But although he has secured backing for his Iraqi strategy, Mr Blair could face further Cabinet problems if and when military action has to be taken. He ensured that last night’s discussion was about the threat posed by Saddam rather than the military means of dealing with him. That potentially explosive debate will come later.

Mr Blair will tonight attempt to repair another rift when Gerhard Schröder, Germany’s newly re-elected Chancellor, will fly to London for urgent talks at Downing Street.

Herr Schröder has caused deep anger in Washington by campaigning on an anti-war platform and diplomats said the Prime Minister saw his role as that of a conciliator between the two major powers.

There were also signs of fresh problems at the UN as it emerged that Britain had told other members of the Security Council that Washington’s policy of regime change was “in the refrigerator”. Diplomats said Sir Jeremy Greenstock, Britain’s UN Ambassador, told the ten non-permanent members of the Security Council on Friday that Washington had put “regime change” on ice unless the weapons inspections “come to a grinding halt” in the view of Hans Blix, the chief UN inspector. But a US official told The Times yesterday that Sir Jeremy’s assertion was “absolutely false” and insisted that “regime change” remained official US policy. Britain has been trying to persuade the Americans to avoid references to regime change because it upsets other members of the UN.

Mr Blair’s warning to the Cabinet that Saddam must be stopped came after fresh signs of ministerial discontent.

Clare Short, the International Development Secretary, is thought to have raised her serious reservations about war during the meeting with Mr Blair while telling him she did not intend to resign. Robin Cook, another dove, has also indicated that he has no intention of leaving the Cabinet. As she left the meeting last night, Ms Short said: “We had a good discussion. We all agreed.”

Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, when asked if the Cabinet was united in its approach, said: “Everybody is clear in the Cabinet and, I believe, across the world that when we are faced with this kind of threat then we have to be resolute in dealing with it.”

The Cabinet debate was said to have been “very serious in tone.” Ministerial sources said afterwards that no one who had spoken — including Ms Short — had ruled out the possibility that military action might eventually be necessary.

Today’s dossier will contain fresh evidence of Saddam’s nuclear ambitions and a growing threat from his deadly weapons, sources said.

Mr Blair told the Cabinet that the 50-page dossier, drawing on the latest intelligence, showed that the “real and serious problem” of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programme had grown worse in the four years since the inspections ended. He said that it was right to continue to try to deal with the issue of disarming Iraq through the UN.

However, he said that Saddam had only agreed to readmit UN weapons inspectors under intense international pressure and it was essential that the pressure was maintained. “There is no doubt whatever that, despite the denials, despite sanctions, despite the UN Security Council resolutions, he is continuing with his (weapons) programme,” he said.

The 20,000-word dossier on Iraq will be presented as compelling proof to uneasy Labour MPs that the threat from Saddam cannot be brushed aside.

David Blunkett, the Home Secretary, issued an astonishing appeal for unity to his Cabinet colleagues, telling them they should observe collective responsibility whatever their concerns. “This is something to do with all of us. We’ll share our views, we’ll share our worries and we’ll come out united,” he said Downing Street said before the Cabinet meeting that there were no “gagging orders”.

Mr Blair’s spokesman, however, dismissed interventions over the weekend from Ms Short and Mr Cook. Other ministers were understood to be deeply irritated by Ms Short’s interview in which she said there could not be an all-out war because the Iraqi people had suffered enough.

The spokesman said: “The Prime Minister believes the Iraqi people have suffered a huge amount — as a result of a brutal, dictatorial regime. Nobody wants the Iraqi people to suffer. But the threat to them comes from Saddam Hussein.”

LOOKS to me like Tony got the dirty job of straightening out shredder's string for him... Shredder said today he likes the approach that Blairs government is taking... Heh Heh... Good luck Tony, rip'em a new one...


51 posted on 09/23/2002 9:19:52 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Last paragraph is mine... not the article's
52 posted on 09/23/2002 9:21:01 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: aristeides
Something seems to have happened to the Germans.

The long simmering anti-Semitism, barely buried just beneath the surface, has emerged and been strengthened by the hundreds of thousand of Muslim immigrants who now make Germany their home and who hate Israel, and the support by many of Islamic fundamentalism. It is very ironic that Hitler's anti-Semitic intolerance has become re-established, not by a pure-blooded Aryan populace, but by dark-skinned migrants originally attracted to the country by the promise of jobs and economic betterment.

53 posted on 09/23/2002 9:28:08 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: MadIvan
bttt
54 posted on 09/23/2002 9:33:48 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: MadIvan
Al Gore looks particularly foolish, Well one has to hand it to the guy...he's consistent anyway! Thanks for the link to "The 10 Downing Street Page" many including myself are looking forward to visiting it in the AM.
55 posted on 09/23/2002 11:32:27 PM PDT by EGPWS
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