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Spanking: Discipline or violence
Wyoming Tribune-Eagle ^ | 23 Sep | Ilene Olson

Posted on 09/23/2002 12:47:24 PM PDT by SLB

CHEYENNE – Spare the rod and spoil the child?

Not so, childhood experts say. Their version: Spare the rod to promote positive, effective discipline and prevent violent behavior by children.

“I really can’t say spanking is ever a good thing to do,” said Sherri Rubeck, who teaches common-sense parenting for Southeast Wyoming Mental Health.

“Spanking is just teaching a child another form of violence,” she said. “Kids are learning that it’s OK to hit. Mom and Dad do it, so it’s OK to hit someone to get what I want.”

Ronn Jeffrey, director of Youth Alternatives, said, “Spanking is something adults do when they can’t think of anything else to do. It’s a form of negative reinforcement. Spanking just proves you’re bigger and stronger.

“It is not usually done out of a great deal of thought about changing a child’s behavior,” he added. “It’s done more out of frustration or anger and has only a temporary effect. With other forms of punishment, you have to think about what you’re doing.”

But single parent Johnny Jones said he believes spanking can be effective in disciplining younger children when used appropriately.

Jones leads a single-parenting group in Cheyenne, in which single and divorced parents meet to help each other cope with parental challenges.

Jones said he thinks it is appropriate to give young children a light slap on the hand or the bottom when they are doing something that could harm them, such as playing with outlets or running into the street.

He also has used a spanking as a backup when two or three attempts at another form of discipline don’t work.

“I don’t have half the problems or concerns (with his children’s behavior) that other parents have who do not now, nor have they ever, spanked their children,” he said. “They have problems at home and school.”

Jones said he does not believe spanking, when used appropriately, contributes to violent behavior in children.

“When I grew up, and before then, spanking was recommended,” he said. “The way children acted then, compared to the behaviors we have now, is completely night and day. We didn’t have the school violence and shootings we do now.

“Alternative forms of discipline don’t always work,” he added. “I believe that contributes to a lot of the problems we have. Look at our society, look at newspapers, what’s happening at school. Talk to a teacher who is about to retire about the differences in behavior (when spanking was used to discipline students) as opposed to students now.”

Laramie County School District 1 Superintendent Dan Stephan said the LCSD1 board revoked corporal punishment, including spanking, in 1984.

“Educationally, that is sound judgment,” he said. “Our board decided clear back then that it was not prudent behavior to use that as punishment. There are other methods to discipline students.

“If we have behavior that is not appropriate by a student, we will work with the parents and the student in regard to what the desired behavior would be … rather than modeling something that is probably less than productive.”

But Dwayne Trembly, who taught math at McCormick Junior High for years before retiring in 1998, agreed with Jones.

When spanking was revoked in the district, “We saw an immediate change with lack of discipline,” he said. “We’ve been struggling ever since.

“Appropriate spanking promotes discipline – with heavy emphasis on appropriate. That is the key word,” he added.

Trembly said what happens after the spanking is more important than the spanking itself.

“When a child needs discipline, it needs to be immediate, then they need a positive build-up afterward. Leave them in a positive state. Never leave them down. If you do that, you lose discipline.”

Jones also urged caution regarding the way spankings are delivered.

“I think (spanking) instills a line of respect in moderation – but I can’t stress enough in moderation,” he said. “Everything does not merit a spanking.

“A spanking should be done with an open hand on the behind, not a slap in the face.

“I don’t believe in using foreign objects, such as belts, switches, spoons and so forth. (With those) you do not know how much force you’re delivering. If you can’t do it with your hand because it’s hurting your hand, imagine how it feels to that child.”

If used inappropriately or excessively, spanking could cause children to become introverted out of fear of being struck, Jones said.

Spanking should decline and eventually end as a child gets older, he said.

“Once they get beyond 10 or 11, that child is pretty much set in their ways,” he said. “They are either going to continue on in their behavior, or they already know the consequences of their behavior.”

As children approach their teenage years, other deterrents, such as taking away television or computer privileges, work better, Jones said.

“My daughter has told me several times that she wished I would spank her as opposed to taking away her telephone,” he said.

Jeffrey said he understands that some parents feel the need to use spanking as a form of punishment.

“I’m not going to condemn every parent who has ever spanked a child,” he said. “A parent who believes in spanking is not a terrible person.

“Was I spanked? Yeah. Were most of us? Probably. But I will tell you it should be the last line of discipline. The hand should be used, and it should be on the bottom. It should never be done with any object.”

Jeffrey referred to last week’s televised videotape of a young woman who put her daughter in a van and began spanking her. The spankings quickly escalated to what appeared to be a brutal beating.

“That is an indication that the person doing the spanking is usually out of control,” he said.

Jeffrey cited other problems with using spanking as a primary disciplinary measure.

“If you use physical ways of controlling your children, what happens when your kid gets bigger than you? If that’s the only method you’ve developed to control their behavior, you’re kind of in bad shape.”

Rubeck said parents need to retrain themselves to use more positive ways to discipline their children. That can be accomplished by taking a parenting class or reading good how-to books on changing children’s behavior.

Some good disciplinary methods include time-out, praising children when they do something good and revoking privileges as a consequence of bad behavior, Rubeck said.

When working with children, parents need to give “kid reasons” as incentive to behave, she added.

“Instead of saying, ‘You need to go to bed on time because Mom’s really tired and needs some rest, find a kid reason,” Rubeck said. “A kid isn’t going to care if Mom is tired. A kid reason would be, ‘If you go to bed early tonight, maybe you can earn a reward for the weekend, such as inviting a friend over.’”

It also is helpful to involve the children in the process when deciding what their punishment should be.

“If you let the child set the consequences, they’ll usually make the punishment worse than that parent would. Maybe that’s an indication that we need to be nicer, if they feel they’re deserving of such terrible punishment.”


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Someone above said spanking is punishment, not displine. Very interesting thought. After thought I would agree.

Something I have noticed about alot of children who are undisplined are that mom and dad did not do, or very little, of quiet stuff with their children. Coloring, reading, board games, etc. I think kids who have trouble being disiplined (having self control) have never been taught such a thing. Sitting in front of a TV is not the same either. JMO:)

Becky

121 posted on 09/24/2002 5:51:36 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: wardaddy
Sorry, I'm not Jewish. I'm Christian and don't have a drop of jewish blood (that I know of). I was referring to the jewish age of accountability. If I were dictator for a day, I would make the age of adulthood (regarding punishment for crimes committed) twelve.
122 posted on 09/24/2002 9:10:50 AM PDT by RobRoy
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Sorry to misunderstand. I can't say either that it was a Jewish thing. The Jewish kids I knew growing up in the South got the rod about the same as the rest of us, but living in Manhattan and knowing a slew of Jewish folks, I was astounded to see how indulgent many of them were with their kids. The kids basically ran the home. These folks despised corporal punishment and this was 20 years ago. Like I said, it may have just been a Manhattan liberal thing.
123 posted on 09/24/2002 9:37:10 AM PDT by wardaddy
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Yeah, were they just racially Jewish or were they Jewish religiously too. Makes a big difference.
124 posted on 09/24/2002 9:41:38 AM PDT by RobRoy
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They were Jewish identity-wise...very unreligious. I din't socialize with any Hassidic or other uber-Orthodox. I did business with them but they are pretty clannish when it comes to hanging with Goys. I knew a lot of Israelis both in NYC and Israel. They spanked for the most part.

Having said that, I don't think Jews as a whole are as stoic with children as Southern Wasps. There seems to be less of the old credo "children are to be seen and not heard". Of course today, I think many folks including myself bend that rule quite a bit more than our parents or grandparents did.
125 posted on 09/24/2002 9:50:38 AM PDT by wardaddy
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