Israel Tells the U.S. It Will Retaliate if Attacked by Iraq

The New York Times ^ | 9/21/2002 | Michael R. Gordon

[bonesmccoy]

YOU were born to US parents... you could of fooled me!

The way you talk... Israel is your primary nation and to hell with anyone else...

First you call me a Jew basher... then you call me an apologist for Islamic terrorists... then you claim I'm not an American... Go TO SLEEP... you're way past your bedtime!

[Robert_Paulson2]

allies dont "order" each other around, here in the west...

We request assistance, Israel complies as best they can.
Israel requests assistance, WE comply as best as we can.
Same with Britain.

It is understood amongst allies in the West that politically, some actions or lack thereof are impossible.
Nations that actually have elections, have to deal with political realities... and impossibilities. Only dictator states would not understand this or think it wrong or even dangerous.

You must have spent a good deal of time in nations other than the west... where alliances are not formed at "you will submit to us" gunpoint commands... in order for you to have such difficulty grasping this concept.

Democratic alliances are a "strange new world" for arab apolists... they do not understand HOW alliances CAN be formed on an egalitarian basis... nationally, politically, even maritally...

Israel is NOT our slave or property, they don't OBEY us.
Neither does Britain. We just happen to live in that level of accord by democratic negotiation of actions to be taken jointly.
Sometimes that means we step back and let other democracies do what they have too... like the russians in chechnya.. or the Brits in the Falklands... or IDF in capturing ramallah and demolishing buildings yet again.

WE all cooperate together as best as we can and remain viable politically in our respective democracies.

WE would never ASK israel NOT to respond... nor expect them to restrain themselves into extinction upon a chemical attack. If Iraq attacks Israel... it will be over, in minutes, not days.... and Israel's allies, will nod in somber approval, even their silent arab allies.

[bonesmccoy]

"here in the west"???

What is that supposed to mean?

Get over it... the Jewish community can solve these problems without involving 275 MILLION americans...

The rest of diatribe is as ridiculous and inane as your other specious arguments... give it up pal... you have split allegiances... and that's exactly what Washington was warning us about... NO SPLIT ALLEGIANCES... US FIRST and everything else SECOND...

REAL PATRIOTS PUT US INTERESTS ABOVE ALL ELSE.

[bonesmccoy]

repost of shorter Washington Quote... since you apparently have not read the longer version...

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

[bonesmccoy]

Yawn... I am not the foreign agent... IT IS YOU who is asking to subvert US foreign policy under a foreign power.

There's nothing wahabi about it.

The only thing confused is your 3 AM writing.

You have not acknoweledged the importance of having US policy support the famous doctrine of the Washington Farewell Address.

While you spout your wierd racist rhetoric, you consistently ignore the simple truth... you have split loyalties and are arguing for diminished leadership for these United States.

I am no foreign agent or "wahab" apologist.

I am appalled at your stunning and sweeping characterizations. But, I guess that's why you need counseling.

[Robert_Paulson2]

WE don't see our interests as divergent from our allies, but complimentary... This is why arabist religious fascism will ultimately fail... their paradigm on how power is obtained and executed is just exactly upside down.

[bonesmccoy]

Ostensibly, yes, I agree with you. Operationally, on a battlefield, no, I don't agree.

The way I read the original article is that Israel will intentionally injet itself in retalliation to any hit on Israeli territory. While there is clear international law to support such action, the reality is that if US forces are in the theatre, such Israeli policy is interfering with US leadership and operations. In this instance, it is not a common interest for safety. Israel will not have an offensive role in this war. That is not a bad trade. The US and coalition has already scrubbed the SCUD box, at least according to others in this thread. So, the only reason you are arguing now... is that you want US policies subordinate to Israeli interests... and this is not something that is acceptable.

[Cachelot]

If the IDF goes offensive against Iraq, it would be fairly easy to turn the coalition towards Jerusalem and end this thing in Armageddon.

Actually, bonehead, if there are many like you the right and proper thing for humanity would be Armageddon.

But you're hardly representative of Americans, or anything civilized. You're more the kind of "person" who answers spam with subject lines like "ENLARGE YOUR PENIS SIZE" - you know, the IQ-87-crowd who just manage to sense that something about them is too small. The Stormfront coterie.

Awarded to Bones "The Mufti" McCoy for outstanding bigotry, chauvinism and Racialism above and beyond the call of duty

[Robert_Paulson2]

If the IDF goes offensive against Iraq, it would be fairly easy to turn the coalition towards Jerusalem and end this thing in Armageddon.

Sounds like somebody is having arabesque "wet dreams" about the coalition falling apart resulting in the isolation and destruction of Israel...

Ridiculous.

[RetiredArmy]

I continue to hang my head every time I see the USA telling these guys they cannot defend themselves if attacked. We certainly have not stood around and done nothing after being attacked. If attacked with WMD, the Jews have every right to respond. If I had nukes, I'd respond with them. I'd make Bag-dad a WalMart parking lot after I was finished with it. They certainly have every right to defend and respond. Why we continue to tell them to sit on their hands is beyond me. The only excuse that I hear is that the other A-rabs would get pissed and join the fight. Fine, they can taste the dust also!

[bonesmccoy]

Do you also support sending foreign nations our military communications frequencies and transponder codes?

I hope not!

[bonesmccoy]

Sir Cachelot... you have your tights on backwards...

That's why your shrill sounds less patriotic and more like treason.

There's no problem with racism on my side. I can say that with confidence. On the other hand, you do sound ... shall we say... bitter?

This thread has degenerated to nothing but personal attacks and wierd posts.

Turn around your own pants and then maybe you'd convince the rest of the world that you have merit for your arguments...

Throw tantrums like these and you only solidify my position and make yourselves look ... well... like a bunch of crying schmucks.

[Cachelot]

Sir Cachelot... you have your tights on backwards...

Tights?? Ah, you are one of the cabaret types. Iron crosses and fishnet stockings, as it were ;).

I do believe you dropped your ring, Herr Flick :)).

Throw tantrums like these and you only solidify my position

Thoe only solid thing about you is the cement between your ears. You ought to loosen it up a bit, but I'm afraid that would entail you eating your gun (if you can afford one, lozer :).

Now e** off to your baracks to the rest of the trannies and have a nice evening styling each other's false mustaches.

*PLONK*

[bonesmccoy]

Your rants remind me of 3 year olds.

The only thing being that children appear to treat others with respect... something your mommy didn't teach you... did she?

[Cachelot]

The only thing being that children appear to treat others with respect...

Oh well. Let's do this by the numbers, shall we?

1. I'm not particularly bothering to refute your ramblings because other on this thread have done so already, so it would be redundant.

2. You don't deserve respect, vermin.

3. Given that you don't deserve respect, you're to some degree an amusing object of contempt.

4. Read up on the meaning of *PLONK* in net parlance. It should be within reach even to such as you.

5. Now trundle off in your leader's footsteps.

[RetiredArmy]

Your comment makes no sense whatsoever. I said nothing of giving anyone our codes. I spoke about how our government tells Israel to sit on their hands and do nothing if Saddam attacks them. We struck back when they hit us. Israel has the exact right to do the same thing. I don't understand your comment about whether I think we should give our nuke codes or whatever to some other country. That is a stupid remark. Of course not.

[bonesmccoy]

Sir,

This thread revealed that IDF were requesting (yet once again) the transponder codes and comm channels for US military units in the field.

Cheney and Rummy are correct. We can not integrate our forces with any other units. The US must lead all units so that we are in charge of all communication between all units.

I'm sure you would agree that US military must rule the battlefield.

[bonesmccoy]

Your posts remind me of bezoars.

May you eat better baklava tomorrow morning...