[Viva Le Dissention]

Hey, you're making a philosophical argument that I don't entirely disagree with. However, the law doesn't operate philosophically. You've got to play the hand you're dealt. In this case, it's that gun ownership can be infringed by the states. I don't like it, but it is the way it is.

[southern rock]

You've got to play the hand you're dealt. In this case, it's that gun ownership can be infringed by the states. I don't like it, but it is the way it is.

You are a realist and a pragmatist. Our founding fathers were not. The world is an evil place when run by realists and pragmatists.

[Jeff Head]

In this case, it's that gun ownership can be infringed by the states. I don't like it, but it is the way it is.

It can only be the case if the people allow it. And that is definitely not a philosophical arguement. The King found out how philosophical it was at some point ... so will these people and anyone who supports them.

Sorry, you and others may not like that, but that's the way it is. I have said all I need to say in posts 21 and 50. Post 51 is also very good IMHO. I hope these particular statist/tyrants get the message before they push it too far.

BTW, arguements like yours (that's just the way it is) were heard long and loud in Klamath Falls last year. A few stood and risked everything to make the point that they were wrong. This issue will one day come down to the same if it continues to be pushed.

[spunkets]

Do you have a rough idea how much of the Bill of Rights has been incorporated?

[Zon]

In this case, it's that gun ownership can be infringed by the states. I don't like it, but it is the way it is.

And each time they do it they commit a crime. They will be held accountable for their crimes.

[Virginia-American]

..gun ownership can be infringed by the states...

Only with the unanimous consent of twelve jurors.