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Anybody else watching this on Court TV? This kind of crap makes me so angry. This is not America anymore. People being put on trial for the behavior of others? I really hate was is happening to my once free country.

Anyway, this is a taped trial, so the verdict is in.

The Verdict:

After 25 hours of deliberations, the jury cleared Powell of manslaughter, but were deadlocked on the remaining charges. Prosecutors have the option of retrying Powell for vehicular homicide and assault.

During a Sept. 12, 2002, hearing that followed, lawyers said that prosecutors offered Powell two plea deals, both of which he refused. The terms of the offers were not disclosed.

The judge encouraged the parties to continue negotiating, and set a plea cut-off date of October 4, which is when the next hearing in this case is scheduled. If no deal is reached, the retrial, as presently scheduled, will begin on Jan. 6, 2003.

The Elliotts say they support whatever decisions the prosecutors make, whether that means a plea deal or a retrial.

The Elliotts have civil suits pending against Kenneth Powell and the two bars that continued to serve drinks to a drunk Michael Pangle. The family is not suing the state police. The Hohenwarters have also sued Powell and the two bars.

1 posted on 09/19/2002 9:40:49 AM PDT by southern rock
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To: southern rock
Pathetic.
2 posted on 09/19/2002 9:51:20 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: southern rock
John's Law
Bill Elliott, son of a naval officer and proud father of John who had just graduated from Annapolis Naval Academy, was determined not to let his son's death go to waste. He made such a promise to his son and has been successful in having legislation passed and perhaps saving lives with his Hero Campaign.
Because of Bill Elliott's activism, New Jersey passed "John's Law." According to John's Law, police must impound the car of someone arrested for DWI for twelve hours. In addition, a person who picks up someone arrested for drunk driving must sign a paper stating his or her knowledge that letting the person drive could result in criminal or civil liability.
In addition, some say the possibility of criminal or civil liability would make people reluctant to pick up their drunk friends and family if they are given such a level of responsibility with grave consequences if something goes wrong.
Senator John Corzine of New Jersey is currently proposing that it become federal law.

It is this kind of John Walsh, Carolyn McCarthy, Sarah Brady, Million Mom syndrome nonsense that causes me to lose ALL sympathy for what should normally be very sympathetic people. They have suffered a loss, therefore they need to feel better by passing all sorts of laws that violate our rights and freedoms.

3 posted on 09/19/2002 9:52:54 AM PDT by southern rock
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To: southern rock
Personal responsibility has gone under. Now I'm in charge of my neighbor's actions? This goes far beyond being my brother's keeper.
4 posted on 09/19/2002 9:53:26 AM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: southern rock
"The case was believed to be the first its kind and legal experts speculated it could set a precedent if the jury found the defendant criminally liable."

Does this mean that juries can write/interpret law? I thought you could only convict a person if there was a standing law you could accuse him of breaking and that the law had to be presented to the jury so they understood "the letter" of it...

8 posted on 09/19/2002 10:10:43 AM PDT by trebb
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To: southern rock
"Hi, I'm Troy McClure! You might remember me from such educational films as "Designated Drivers: Lifesaving Nerds!".

I just read the whole article and believe Powell got screwed. Don't New Jersey cops keep drunks in the tank overnight like most intelligent jurisdictions? If you put it to a vote, my guess is that most people would rather have it that way anyway. Who wants to get a call at 2am to pick up somebody?

Interestingly, no mention of whether John the Ensign had been drinking at mom's party before the accident. Charging Powell would be one way of avoiding an unpleasant fact such as that....

9 posted on 09/19/2002 10:13:06 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: JediGirl; FreedominJesusChrist; headsonpikes; dcwusmc; tpaine
Watch out! You are your brother's keeper.
15 posted on 09/19/2002 10:35:53 AM PDT by southern rock
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To: southern rock
This sort of nonsense is so shockingly out of touch with both common and constitutional law that it's hard to know where to begin.

It's more fallout from a trend of judicial legislation and activism that plagues the nation with theories being upheld in court that have no connection to sane reality. This is the same mentality that has had burglars suing property owners for injuries they sustain climbing through windows, and winning!

We need tort reform, and we need it about forty years ago.

20 posted on 09/19/2002 1:22:02 PM PDT by Imal
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To: southern rock
Living in NJ, I have been somewhat following this travesty as it progressed. There has been a lot of talk about the police not being able, under the law in effect at the time, to hold Pangle, and that this has been changed since.

However, the one question that I have had from the beginning is: Since Pangle was only arrested for DWI, Not Convicted (and assumed innocent until proven guilty), then how can another party be responsible at all? Does this open up the possibility that bail bondsmen can be responsible if their clients go out and commit additional similar crimes prior to conviction?

22 posted on 09/19/2002 8:27:53 PM PDT by par4
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