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Three Minute Discrepancy in Flight 93 Tape
Philadelphia Daily News ^ | Sept. 16, 2002 | William Bunch

Posted on 09/16/2002 5:34:36 AM PDT by ConservativeNewsJunkie

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To: AppyPappy
Do you think it is even possible in the realm of existence that the plane was shot down???

Here is your answer:

It kept us from having to do the unthinkable," said Maj. Gen. Mike J. Haugen, adjutant general of the North Dakota National Guard, "and that is to use your own weapons and own training against your own citizens."

Sounds to me like he is saying it didn't happen.

So then in fact you do agree that it was possible the plane was shot down. the only question left is whether or not you think the government told you the truth...

Or whether they were lying to you...

81 posted on 09/16/2002 8:56:09 AM PDT by Ferris
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The main thing you have to understand about the federal government is that, like all psychotics, it would rather tell a lie than the truth, even when the truth would work better than the lie.

And like all sheeple, posters here would rather hear a lie than a truth that is uncomfortable.

82 posted on 09/16/2002 9:00:34 AM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: TheWoodsarelovely
Right after it happened, many family members were being interviewed. One woman, had been talking to her husband by cell phone, when it crashed. He was onboard. He told her, a bunch of passengers, had revolted, and were taking over the plane. Then he said he saw a bright flash on the wing, and the phone went dead. The two anchors on TV, just looked at each other. (I think it was Katie & Matt).
83 posted on 09/16/2002 9:06:43 AM PDT by suekas
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Last time I broached the subject that I thought Flight 93 was shot down I was attacked viciously. The fact that it was shot down does not take anything away from the courage of the passengers who took a stand.
I'm normally a debunker of conspiracy theories. But I heard from an extremely reliable source that AF buzz on September 11th was that a 16 had taken the plane down, and on September 12th that buzz had been squelched.

The story that the passengers had stopped the attack is an inspirational one. The story that an Air Force pilot had to do it would be bitter and tragic on a day that had already seen thousands of times too much of that.

I just hope that if it was a pilot, the fact that he did his clear duty no matter how distasteful is in the classified part of his records. In many ways it took just as much courage as a passenger attack did.

-Eric

84 posted on 09/16/2002 9:07:29 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: All
Blah, Blah, Blah!

Almost 100 posts into this topic and, excuse me if I missed it, but I've seen NO reference to the shocking fact that our nation's policy in these unthinkable circumstances is to shoot our brothers and sisters out of the skies!

Meanwhile, are pilots are still not allowed to arm themselves!

Where the HELL is the outrage?

85 posted on 09/16/2002 9:09:06 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: iconoclast
are = our
86 posted on 09/16/2002 9:13:00 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: Ferris
"Why would f-16's launched to intercept the plane go up without ammo?? "

That was debated here

87 posted on 09/16/2002 9:16:22 AM PDT by smith288
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To: ConservativeNewsJunkie
Baaaaaaah Baaaaah
I'm sure it's just like my government says.
A spark in the fuel tank, huh. Sure. Baah Baaaaah
88 posted on 09/16/2002 9:20:26 AM PDT by Taiwan Bocks
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To: E Rocc
I just hope that if it was a pilot, the fact that he did his clear duty no matter how distasteful is in the classified part of his records. In many ways it took just as much courage as a passenger attack did.

It would have been the right thing to do. No argument from me on that. What bothers me is that it seems that the federal government can never just tell the plain, simple truth. Too many pieces of this puzzle just don't add up, and what makes me even more sure things are not true to the official story is how viciously people attack you for saying that your own gut feeling is that the UA93 was shot down.

89 posted on 09/16/2002 9:21:52 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: FourtySeven
...it could only benefit them more to tell the truth in such a circumstance.

Unless all you can think about is the next election.

90 posted on 09/16/2002 9:23:16 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: FourtySeven
But now we know for certain. The U.S. Gov't is psychotic; thanks for the update there, that's good information to know as I continue to live my life in this country.

The FBI shot the Branch Davidians as they tried to escape their burning "compound" as well. The federal government is a mindless beast. Sorry.

91 posted on 09/16/2002 9:26:15 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: NELSON111
I am not going to argue what happened because it does not matter.

Sure it does. You just want the official story to prevail.

92 posted on 09/16/2002 9:29:07 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
A more likely explanation is that the plane was shot down by a US fighter. Funny you didn't mention that as one of the possibilities.

Whoa, unum. How do you get "more likely" out of that. If Flt 93 was "shot down" then it had to be hit by a missile, bullet, or super-secret mega ray gun.

For that to be effective, it would MOST LIKELY have to physically deform the aircraft to make it un-airworthy. To do that would REQUIRE (because of Newton's laws, not federal laws) that any separated airplane components (engines, control surfaces, rivets, glass shards...) would be scattered throughout the area along the aircraft's last trajectory when they were "disconnected" from the airframe.

If these parts-is-parts are not found but in a 15 foot deep hole in a single field, then the aircraft must have gone into the ground intact, and not deformed previously.

That is: UNLESS the aircraft was indeed hit with a super-secret mega ray gun, which could be determined by interviewing military pilots to see if they were wearing any tin-foil helmets that day.

93 posted on 09/16/2002 9:35:59 AM PDT by sam_paine
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To: Ferris
Why would f-16's launched to intercept the plane go up without ammo??

The F-16s in the air on Sept 11 were Air National Guard units on training missions. They were not on air defense duty. Hence, no ammunition. At least three plans came from Selfridge Air National Guard north of Detroit. They were unarmed. Their instructions were to RAM the airliners if they came in contact.

94 posted on 09/16/2002 9:36:01 AM PDT by cebadams
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To: E Rocc
I'm normally a debunker of conspiracy theories...

Lol...why don't you get to work then and debunk this one?

95 posted on 09/16/2002 9:36:47 AM PDT by mac_truck
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To: AppyPappy
I understood in the interview with Bush on 9/11 that the fighters that left to possibly intercept Flight 93 were not armed - - if they had to stop the plane, they would have to ram it........
96 posted on 09/16/2002 9:38:01 AM PDT by duckbutt
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
A more likely explanation is that the plane was shot down by a US fighter. Funny you didn't mention that as one of the possibilities.

Yeah, and they didn't mention the possibility that it was shot down by a flying saucer piloted by space aliens, either.

Sheesh.

97 posted on 09/16/2002 9:47:07 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: ConservativeNewsJunkie
I have never seen a plane crash site where there is no plane! I have yet to see any part of a plane at the site if the crash. That big gouge in the ground could have been made by one of the engines hitting the ground at 400+MPH. I believe the plane was shot down and spread over the countryside. The gov stated that they attempted to shoot down the 2nd plane to hit the towers but were about 10 minutes late arriving. If 93 was headed toward DC and they knew it, it would have easily been intercepted.
98 posted on 09/16/2002 9:49:43 AM PDT by ghoti
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To: Ferris
So then in fact you do agree that it was possible the plane was shot down. the only question left is whether or not you think the government told you the truth... Or whether they were lying to you...

If they told you they DID shoot down the plane, would you believe they were lying? Absent of any evidence to the contrary, I believe the men who wear our nations uniform.

99 posted on 09/16/2002 9:50:29 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Sloth
And it took THREE MINUTES to fall???

The best fit for the available evidence is the theory that violent maneuvers caused by the struggle caused some shearing of the airframe. That explains a few parts turning up miles away, an electrical failure causing the recorder to quit, and the plane remaining in the air for three more minutes.

100 posted on 09/16/2002 9:50:51 AM PDT by steve-b
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