Three Minute Discrepancy in Flight 93 Tape

Philadelphia Daily News ^ | Sept. 16, 2002 | William Bunch

[jws3sticks]

Sounds like Nixon's secretary, Rose Mary Woods, got a hold of the tape.

[AppyPappy]

At 10:03, the hijackers - or possibly passengers and crew who were fighting to regain control of the plane - flipped a circuit breaker or switch that cut off power to the cockpit voice recorder.

The terrorists were trying to shut down the plane to cause a crash.

[Trailerpark Badass]

Not something you want to have as your last memory of your loved one.

Well, the families of the Flight 93 victims apparently wanted to hear it, unless they were informed beforehand that the tape was edited and have just kept their mouths shut about it.

[AppyPappy]

They recieved permission from "the man"...

Proof please.

[ctdonath2]

The clocks in my house are more than 3 minutes apart. I'm not suspecting a conspiracy.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

VERY dependent. We are talking about an object that routinely travels *500 mph* horizontally under, say, 80,000 - 90,000 lbs of thrust, but which weighs 200,000 lbs or so.

500 mph with two jet engines pushing it. You forgot about that part.

Pieces of a disintegrated aircraft are not very aerodynamic, so I probable overestimated their terminal velocity. On second thought, 120 mph is probably closer to the truth.

[Gunrunner2]

Do you have any idea how impossible it would be to keep what you allege secret?

My gawd, the pilots, the weapons loaders, the crew chiefs, the air traffic controllers, the base commanders (and their staffs), the national command authorties (and their staffs), the investigators. . .literally thousands of people would have had to spontaneously come together immediately after the shot and conspire to keep a secret of this nature. What?! This is nonsense.

BTW: It is not a "well known fact" that fighters were anywhere near the flight. It is a fact they were enroute, flying a front quarter intercept and were in no position, and were not in range of, the aircraft when it went down.

My gawd, the way Washington leaks there is no way we could have kept it quiet if we even had aircraft close to the flight, let alone actually shot it down.

[FreeTally]

Last time I broached the subject that I thought Flight 93 was shot down I was attacked viciously. The fact that it was shot down does not take anything away from the courage of the passengers who took a stand.

Tell me about it. It takes a brave soul to bring up the fact that there is a high probability that it was shot down - and there was nothing wrong with doing that.

The main thing you have to understand about the federal government is that, like all psychotics, it would rather tell a lie than the truth, even when the truth would work better than the lie.

AMEN!! It couldn't be put any better.

[Trailerpark Badass]

This makes sense, but, I'm surprised that we have not heard from any witnesses.

You've heard what various news editors and TV producers have wanted you to hear. Even if there is no conspiracy of silence to cover-up eyewitness reports, I would think that many news people are reluctant to be seen as pushing the shoot-down theory, simply because of the potential PR problems.

[Junior]

Maybe one of the clocks was running fast...

[E. Pluribus Unum]

The clocks in my house are more than 3 minutes apart. I'm not suspecting a conspiracy.

The clocks in your house are not as accurate as clocks used for global positioning, which can locate a plane to within +/- 2 inches based on the amount of time it takes for a radiofrequency wave to travel from a GPS satellite to the GPS receiver on board the aircraft.

[Gunrunner2]

>>The clocks in your house are not as accurate as clocks used for global positioning, which can locate a plane to within +/- 2 inches based on the amount of time it takes for a radiofrequency wave to travel from a GPS satellite to the GPS receiver on board the aircraft.<<

GPS is not linked to the in-flight recorders.

Oh, and BTW, the 2-3" accuracy, we wish! That would make JDAM and other weapon systems a heck of a lot more accurate than they already are.

[Ferris]

It was widely reported on TV and radio just days after the attacks by both Dick Cheney and the Pres that permission had been asked for and granted to fire upon the passenger jet after it had been acquired and trailed by the fighter jets...

In fact, the entire premise that flight 93 was shot down would not even exist at all unless massive amounts of people knew that flight 93 was actually trailed by armed fighter jets that had actually asked for and had actually been given permission to take it down...

The concept that the passengers and crew would just fly it straight into the ground with armed military jets locked on target becomes less and less plausible...

[E. Pluribus Unum]

My gawd, the pilots, the weapons loaders, the crew chiefs, the air traffic controllers, the base commanders (and their staffs), the national command authorties (and their staffs), the investigators. . .literally thousands of people would have had to spontaneously come together immediately after the shot and conspire to keep a secret of this nature. What?! This is nonsense.

You are telling me all those people were there? If you aren't, then there would be no need for a conspiracy BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T F*****G KNOW!!!!!

I get so weary of you conspiracy nuts who say that the government can do no wrong because it would require a conspiracy. It wouldn't. All it would take is for the small number of people involvled in any given incident to keep their yaps shut or have them shut for them.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

So your telling me the clocks on aircraft are no more accurate than the clocks in your house? Is that what you are telling me?

[AppyPappy]

It was widely reported on TV and radio just days after the attacks by both Dick Cheney and the Pres that permission had been asked for and granted to fire upon the passenger jet after it had been acquired and trailed by the fighter jets...

If it is so widely reported, perhaps you could point us to some of that "reporting".

[cynicom]

Rendering????

[MissAmericanPie]

Oh man, that would be horrible to hear, I hope they never release it if that is the case.

[Gunrunner2]

Yes.

Part of the pre-flight is to make sure the internal clock is running correctly. The on-board clocks are not tied to the GPS signal or the US Naval Observatory Master Clock.

As far as conspiracies go. . .don't know how else to describe what it would take to silence thousands of people.

Permission was granted to intercept and, if necessary, down a civlian airliner (with aircraft that had nothing but 20mm and no missiles), this in no way makes the case that the fighters were even close to the flight.

Well known fact the order to intercept--yes.
Well known "fact" that the flight was being trailed--no.

Time to calm down, bubba, and wipe the spit off your computer.

[Gunrunner2]

So, sue me. . .
;-)