Three Minute Discrepancy in Flight 93 Tape

Philadelphia Daily News ^ | Sept. 16, 2002 | William Bunch

[AppyPappy]

The WTC planes didn't have passengers trying to win back the plane as best I can tell. If the cockpit was breached by the passengers, it would not surprise me to learn the terrorists pulled the breakers in an effort to make a rescue impossible.

[steve-b]

Terminal velocity through the atmosphere is approximately 150 mph, depending on the aerodynamic properties of the falling body.

Puh-leeze. The "falling body" in this case is an airframe DESIGNED TO TRAVEL RAPIDLY THROUGH THE ATMOSPHERE. Its terminal velocity would be fairly close to Mach 1.

[sam_paine]

Terminal velocity through the atmosphere is approximately 150 mph, depending on the aerodynamic properties of the falling body

You are a ding dong. Yes that is ad hominem.

"Terminal velocity" for any airliner under power or not will be far in excess of 150mph. By it's nature, an aircraft does not need to be below stall speeed to "fall out of the sky"....it can also "fly into the ground."

At 500mph, 40,000 feet is less than a minute. If the aircraft was "flying erratically and losing altitude" after turning around....then it was not at 40,000 feet.

[NELSON111]

So...you would rather focus on that one little part...than the fact you have no clue as to what you are talking about in the numbers? Try this on for size partner: You don't care if you are wrong...because you just want the conspiracy story to prevail.

Again...my issue was not with any other detail...I am just telling you that you have no clue about flying operations if you think the only person on that base who would know if an AIM-9 is missing off the wingtip is the pilot.

That was the point of my post...not the other. Nice of you to not even mention or debate the other stuff I said. So before you start accusing someone of having an agenda...maybe you ought to haul your rump up off from the indents in your chair and go look in the mirror.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

So what's to stop a fighter from being diverted to a quiet little spot with no pesky observers once it has fired a missile?

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Puh-leeze. The "falling body" in this case is an airframe DESIGNED TO TRAVEL RAPIDLY THROUGH THE ATMOSPHERE. Its terminal velocity would be fairly close to Mach 1.

Do you have any references for that, or did you just pull it out of thin air?

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Yeah, and they didn't mention the possibility that it was shot down by a flying saucer piloted by space aliens, either.

You're right. You are the only wacko to mention that possibility.

[NELSON111]

I'm at an alert base...one of only 7 in the country at the time. The fighters returned to their bases. If you think keeping it a secret when they returned without missles was tough...more so when they don't come back at all. For one thing...all the ATC people and the NEADS/SEADS/WADS people would know where they went...and that is a lot of people.

Look...this is not worth my discussion. When I said it doesn't matter...that was not a revelation of my hidden agenda...which is what you accused me off...but a statement of my feelings on it being a military man. My opinion is it doesn't matter because they were going to die anyway and I think that they all would have preferred death by F-16 than death by White House/Capitol Building...so to me (and maybe only to me...but guess what...IT IS America and I can chose) it doesn't matter. The only thing I have an issue with is the nobody would know. Again...this is America and you choose your own opinion. It is obvious that you are doing the EXACT thing you accused me of: Having an agenda and one's mind made up in hopes to see that opinion prevail.

Therefore...There is no further need of discussion amongst us.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Suits me. Now get back to work at Langley where you belong.

[Sloth]

Hey, dipwad, I've got a question for you. Assuming that you are correct and this is a big coverup, why wouldn't the big wicked dark gov't conspiracy just say that the tape ended at 10:06 instead of 10:03? They control all the data, so why wouldn't they just make it come out all neat and clean for you?

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Hey, dipwad, I've got a question for you. Assuming that you are correct and this is a big coverup, why wouldn't the big wicked dark gov't conspiracy just say that the tape ended at 10:06 instead of 10:03? They control all the data, so why wouldn't they just make it come out all neat and clean for you?

Because they're counting on spitwads like you to say it doesn't matter.

[Sloth]

Great non-answer.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Well you did say it doesn't matter.

[Sloth]

Where? Please provide a quote from me to that effect. Or, failing that, acknowledge another one of your lies.

[null and void]

Terminal velocity through the atmosphere is approximately 150 mph, depending on the aerodynamic properties of the falling body.

That's terminal velocity for a falling HUMAN body. Not very aerodynamic. A nice smooth object will fall faster...

[E. Pluribus Unum]

A nice smooth object will fall faster...

Aircraft debris does not tend to be very smooth.

[null and void]

In fact, the entire premise that flight 93 was shot down would not even exist at all unless massive amounts of people knew that flight 93 was actually trailed by armed fighter jets that had actually asked for and had actually been given permission to take it down

Name one of these people...

[null and void]

Thank you Chris. God bless you and yours.

The passengers of Flt 93 make me proud to be an American.

[Black Cat]

The plane was at a much lower altitude than that. Read that Tom Brokaw interview with the 9-11 flight controllers over on MSNBC. It's a heart-breaking story, but in every case, the first thing the hijackers did was abruptly bring the plane to a much lower altitude, from the 30,000 ft or so cruising altitude to under 10,000 feet.

And I believe that one of the Pennsylvania eyewitnesses said that his attention was first drawn to the plane because it was unusually low.

[al_c]

The likeliest reason that the tape ended three minutes before the plane hit the ground is that the plane itself came to a end three minutes before hitting the ground.

If it was hit by a missle, there wouldn't be enough left of the plane to hit the ground with such force. If it was crippled by being shot at and then crashed, odds are the recorder would still be working as the plane fell to the ground.