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To: Jorge
You are deceived.
Both John the Baptist and Jesus Christ began their ministries with the message "Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand".
Ask me who I believe, them or you.

I will only address part of your spewings:

Look up the meaning of the greek word for "kingdom." It's "basileia" and does not mean a king, a government, society, royal family or religion. It means the power and authority by which a king rules. Jesus said that "kingdom" is within you. He also said that it does not come with observation. He was speaking to believers and nonbelievers alike when he said that. He then went on to show what the power and authority can do by healing the sick, raising the dead and casting out demons. He taught his disciples to do the same. One of the first things he did was send out twelve and then another seventy who performed miracles. This was done at a time when he could not give them the holy Spirit by which to do miracles.(John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.) It was the power and authority of the kingdom by which these things were done. And that is what the gospel of the kingdom was all about. That power and authority was at hand - literally at their fingertips as it is today. But in order to weild that power, they needed to repent - turn away from their sins and ask forgiveness of God. John was preaching the gospel of the kingdom and repentance before Jesus went public and began his ministry.

If you cannot understand the gospel of the kingdom, how can you understand those other scriptures you quote?

If you really understood who Jesus really was, you would have so many signs and wonders following you around that people would be seeking you out - you wouldn't have to seek them. Until you reach that exalted state, I suggest you keep your faith to yourself and let the Jews be. As it is written:
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Where I walk those signs follow me. God tells me I'm on the right path. I am not alone - there are others who know of which I speak and walk as I walk. Jesus said to "seek ye first the kingdom of God." (kingdom=power & authority) He did not say to seek any thing else first.

And, addressing repentance: Do you know what Yom Kippur is all about? Do you know anything about Jews repenting of their sins? Do or did you ever do it with the same singleness of purpose and conviction? Do you think a devout Jew does not believe God even as Abraham did?

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

113 posted on 09/16/2002 12:27:11 AM PDT by mfulstone
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To: mfulstone
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father

Not every single Christian, even of the early church, went around flashing miracles every which way. That would, however, seem to be the way you are taking this quotation of Jesus Christ.

115 posted on 09/16/2002 2:14:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: mfulstone
Where I walk those signs follow me

P.S. can you furnish us with examples of this? I'm not saying it's impossible, but I suspect you wouldn't be posting on Free Republic if you were in a situation typical of those in which miracles are manifested today (i.e. remote areas with a lot of demonic activity, martyrdom, and great dangers).

116 posted on 09/16/2002 2:19:02 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: mfulstone
St Michael, The Archwhatever "Champion of the underdog,
Staunch Conservative,
Constitutionalist,
Poet,
Raconteur,
Philosopher
And avid bullslinger"

You slingin' bull???

117 posted on 09/16/2002 2:21:53 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: mfulstone
If you cannot understand the gospel of the kingdom, how can you understand those other scriptures you quote?

I quoted the scriptures that prove Jesus and His disciples clearly claimed there is NO OTHER WAY to God but through Him.
I also showed you that Jesus stated this applied to Jews.

Even a child can understand what those verses say.

These scriptures clearly prove you are wrong when you said the Bible didn't teach the Jews need to believe in Jesus to be saved.

Obviously you cannot challenge any of these scriptures, and instead have gone on a disconnected rant about the definition of "kingdom".

The rest of your post only gets worse;

Where I walk those signs follow me. God tells me I'm on the right path. I am not alone - there are others who know of which I speak and walk as I walk.

Are you trying to make me laugh on purpose or what?
It is clear that you are having a hard time articulating a coherant response to my posts.

Once again;
Jesus said "NO MAN cometh unto the Father but by Me" (John 14:6)
Jesus told the religious Jews that didn't accept Him as Messiah;
"You shall die in your sins. If you believe that I am not He, you shall die in your sins" (John 8:24)
"Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given unto men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12)
Jesus also told the religious Jews who rejected Him; "If God were your father you would love me".
"You are of your father the Devil"
( John 8:42-44)
Like it or not the scriptures clearly teach the Jews must accept Jesus to be saved.

144 posted on 09/16/2002 4:31:17 PM PDT by Jorge
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