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Apology accepted... I had ignored the rhetoric...

I have not said there isn't support in the services for kicking Saddam's nasty ass... I know there is. And that's fine, it should be kicked up well past his shoulders. What I am saying is that it's my experience that the BIGGEST and most strident cheerleaders are those who know it won't be them.

I have no issues with civilian authority directing us where to go and who to kill when we get there. That's how it's set up. My issue is and has been that CinC and the pentagon civilians need strong Congressional oversight because of the issues MacNamara came out with in his book. He KNEW we could not win the war, he knew why this was so, yet he did NOT inform anyone and stop the killing of 58,000-plus of our young men and women, not to mention the ones who lost legs as a friend of mine did, or were otherwise maimed to no purpose. This kind of civilian control we do NOT need... more later.

My issue is and has been that CinC and the pentagon civilians need strong Congressional oversight because of the issues MacNamara came out with in his book. He KNEW we could not win the war, he knew why this was so, yet he did NOT inform anyone and stop the killing of 58,000-plus of our young men and women, not to mention the ones who lost legs as a friend of mine did, or were otherwise maimed to no purpose. This kind of civilian control we do NOT need... more later.

Well said and point taken. McNamara and Johnson suck.