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To: exodus
Why then is Iraq expected to surender it's right of self-defense at the order of that same foreign power, the United Nations?

What a stupid argument. So you're saying that "sovereignty" is so sacrosanct that NO ONE can band together against a "sovereign" nation even if that nation represents a dire threat.

Okay, in that case, the United States was in the WRONG to joing the Allied Powers that "violated" Germany's sovereignty in 1918. Oh, and again in 1945.

C'mon, man, get yer head out yer ***.

32 posted on 09/14/2002 7:18:53 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
Why then does the United States ignore the requirements of our own Constitution, and go to war at the direction of a foreign power? Why then is Iraq expected to surender it's right of self-defense at the order of that same foreign power, the United Nations?

To: exodus
What a stupid argument. So you're saying that "sovereignty" is so sacrosanct that NO ONE can band together against a "sovereign" nation even if that nation represents a dire threat.

Okay, in that case, the United States was in the WRONG to joing the Allied Powers that "violated" Germany's sovereignty in 1918. Oh, and again in 1945.

# 32 by Illbay

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Sovereignty is so sacrosanct that NO ONE should be allowed to desecrate it.

Having allies is not a problem. Going to war by our own decision is not a problem. However, if England had declared that we were at war with Germany in WW 2, THAT would be a problem.

The United States went to war with Iraq at the ORDER of the United Nations, in violation of our own sovereignty, and in violation of our written Constitution.

38 posted on 09/14/2002 7:31:03 AM PDT by exodus
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To: Illbay
Time will prove if Bush is right. So far there has been little proof that Sadaam is the serious threat that the administration has presented. If we go in and find that there is no nuclear arsenal, rhis will backfire on all involved. Bush senior railed against Sadaam and at least convinced the world that Sadaam needed to be expelled from Kuwait. He was right on this.

However, when he failed to oust Sadaam and the economy went South, he ushered in the Presidency of Bill Clinton and we have suffered ever since. We now face similar circumstances with Junior riding the wave of patriotism and his popularity skyrocketing. If GW can get on top of our economy, he can go down as one of our all-time great Presidents. If he fails, we are set up for a fall.

44 posted on 09/14/2002 7:43:20 AM PDT by meenie
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