[Torie]

Of course The Torch is obnoxious, and of course the folks where the garbage meets the sea love it. I think The Torch had an edge in both debates (well in the second one I just listened to the tail end just now on the CSPAN site and The Torch got in some late hits about Forrester screwing old people in his business that Forrester couldn't respond to), but Forrester showed that he has a brain, even if not quite as skilled as The Torch, and that may be enough. The issue isn't who is smarter or a better debater, but whether Forrester is safe enough to vote for in order to dump the liar and the crook. That I think is the part of the playing field where this race will be decided by those voters that are in play.

[WRhine]

I think The Torch had an edge in both debates (well in the second one I just listened to the tail end just now on the CSPAN site

Torie, I saw most of the 2nd debate and IMO Forrester beat The Torch soundly. The Torch came off as desperate and off balanced most of the time. He constantly brought up his pro-choice positions and other liberal baggage like “the environment”. This is a rather telling sign that the Torch is still worried about his democratic base. Forrester by contrast seemed more confident and on message.