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What would Jesus do?__Joseph Farah(God is not a pacifist)
worldnetdaily.com ^ | 9-13-02 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 09/13/2002 4:38:52 AM PDT by ovrtaxt

Posted: September 13, 2002 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

As America nears military action against Iraq, some are suggesting that an attack of this type is somehow contrary to the words and deeds of Jesus.

Many modern Christians seem to believe Jesus was some kind of pacifist. This is not true – not even close.

As usual, those who subscribe to this notion that Jesus was a pacifist do so largely based on one New Testament scriptural reference – Matthew 5:38-39, the famous statement in which He suggests when struck in the face by an assailant to "turn the other cheek."

Yet, if Jesus is truly God, as Christians believe, one needs to examine the context of this statement, as well as the entire body of God's word to draw any conclusions as to whether self-defense by individuals and nations is a legitimate course of action.

Often, the very same people who hang so much significance on turning the other cheek fail to absorb the significance of the entire chapter. Some Christians like to pretend that Jesus somehow broke with the traditions of the Old Testament. Nothing could be further from the truth, as Jesus Himself explains in this same chapter.

In Matthew 5: 17-20, Jesus is recorded explaining: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

In other words, Jesus says He is the embodiment of the law that preceded His earthly incarnation as a mortal. Far from rejecting or overturning the law, He came to earth to fulfill it. Likewise, He provided man with an escape from its condemnation through His substitutionary sacrifice, and most of this chapter illustrates just why we need Him. None of us could live up to the letter of the law, let alone the spirit of it. That's what Jesus is saying. And He came to offer Himself – His own life, His own pain, His own blood – to give us a second chance.

Moving to the Gospel of John, we learn that Jesus is eternal. He always was and He always will be. He made the world and the universe. He is one with the Father. So, all of the commandments of God, as we know them, in what Christians call "the Old Testament," are likewise the commandments of Jesus. He didn't come to overturn them. He came to fulfill them.

Read the Book of Judges and you will find that God told the Jews to utterly destroy entire unrighteous nations so that they could occupy the Promised Land. When the Jews failed to do this, they paid a heavy price. In Genesis, God Himself destroys Sodom and Gomorrah because of immorality. Throughout the Old Testament, we witness God destroying unrighteous men and ordering unrighteous men destroyed. Keep in mind, also, we are told in Hebrews 13:8 that Jesus is the same yesterday and today and forever.

If Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever, that means Jesus destroyed unrighteous men and ordered unrighteous men destroyed.

Further, in the Old Testament, we see in I Samuel 25:13 that all men were to be armed with swords – the most advanced weapon of the time. In Judges 5:8, we are given a picture of a foolish nation that chooses new gods and to disarm. "Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight," David writes in Psalms 144:1.

Even in the New Testament, in Luke 22:36, Jesus commands His disciples to buy swords and strap them on: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

The Bible is a book of war – a spiritual war raging in Heaven and on Earth. It is not a manual for pacifism.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: iraq; jesus; pacifism; war
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That and Romans 13:3-- "For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is a minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."

Let the terrorists be afraid of our righteous enforcement of a civilized law.

1 posted on 09/13/2002 4:38:52 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: ovrtaxt
Farah got one right for once. LOL

The "turn the other cheek" verse came in the context of the ministry. If you offend while ministering, then turn the other cheek. If I guy walks up and punches you on the street for no reason, then put the hurt on him if you're able.

2 posted on 09/13/2002 4:47:01 AM PDT by #3Fan
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3 posted on 09/13/2002 4:48:28 AM PDT by Icthus
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To: ovrtaxt
I like the article and Comment #1. It seems to me that the liberation of the people of Iraq is reason enuf to prosecute the war. Shame on us for leaving this oppresive government in power. The country has some great deeds to its credit. Let's add another.
4 posted on 09/13/2002 4:49:18 AM PDT by M. T. Cicero II
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To: ovrtaxt
I have heard it argued that turning the other cheek was a customary act of defiance at that time and in that culture. I am not familiar with the customs of the times that Jesus lived in, so I can't confirm or deny it.
5 posted on 09/13/2002 4:56:33 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: M. T. Cicero II
Yes, the people of Iraq need to be free. And the overarching concern of God, I think, is the freedom to proclaim Jesus Christ as Lord in that society. Islam has held a stranglehold over that entire region for too many centuries.

Thank God we have a leader who is interested in spreading freedom instead of an intern's legs.
6 posted on 09/13/2002 5:00:05 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: ovrtaxt
My belief is that the Bible is not clear on war vs. pacifism.You can make a textual argument for Biblical pacifism, for the Just War Theory, and for a Crusade or Holy War as we see at times in the Old Testament.

I thought this was an intresting article.And altho I do believe that historic Biblical pacifism is relevant and Scriptural, I don't see how it would work in a world filled with men like Sadaam or religious fanatics like Al Queda who are bent on destroying us and our culture.

7 posted on 09/13/2002 5:03:58 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: MissAmericanPie
I think He was talking about non-resistance in the face of aggression, but that's only when you are being attacked when proclaiming the Gospel. In that case, Jesus says they are rejecting Him, not you, so the fight is His.

That's a true martyr, not some suicidal murderer detonating a bomb in a crowd of innocents.
8 posted on 09/13/2002 5:04:28 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: ovrtaxt
Hehehehe... Spread the Good Word instead of fornication? I'll give an "AMEN!!!" to that!
9 posted on 09/13/2002 5:04:36 AM PDT by Spacetrucker
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To: ovrtaxt
Let the terrorists be afraid of our righteous enforcement of a civilized law.

And what about us? A nation that permits the killing of 4,000 unborn children every day? We should fear God's righteous enforcement of His just law, repent, and receive Christ's forgiveness.

10 posted on 09/13/2002 5:06:40 AM PDT by Hackle
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To: ovrtaxt
Deuteronomy 13:12-16
If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods you have not known), then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. Gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. It is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt.
Ops.. Won't be too many cities left to live in.
11 posted on 09/13/2002 5:09:05 AM PDT by anguish
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To: #3Fan
I believe "offer the other (cheek)", i think, means that if you get slapped, front the person. Show him it didnt bother you. Now if the person cut your arm off, Jesus doesnt recommend offering the other as the level of violence doesnt equal a slap in the face. Jesus would recommend a can a whup a_ _ in self defense.
12 posted on 09/13/2002 5:10:56 AM PDT by smith288
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
I do believe that there is a morality of violence. The Cops operate under that premise all the time. The innocent must be protected, and certainly women and kids must be protected. Romans 13:1 claims that God ordains just governments in the earth. Unjust governments are usually the result of man trying to take the place of God in terms of controlling the population and denying the freedom to choose who one will worship.

John the apostle said the spirit of antichrist has enterd the world, and that already many antichrists have manifested. (antichrist- one who puts himself in the place of Christ.) Thus the worship cult of many leaders.
13 posted on 09/13/2002 5:11:41 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: Hackle
"And what about us? A nation that permits the killing of 4,000 unborn children every day? We should fear God's righteous enforcement of His just law, repent, and receive Christ's forgiveness."

I agree, and fortunately God understands how our republic is set up. He knows that there are many here who work and pray and wait for it to stop. His judgment (and salvation)does fall on individuals who resist Him here, but He's not dumb. He knows we are His nation in many more ways.


14 posted on 09/13/2002 5:15:09 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: ovrtaxt
No. Jesus was articulating an ideal not applicable to the real world. No Christian country has ever lived up to it for its impossible. If Christians had lived by that precept in the Middle Ages, Islam would be ruling the world today. When it comes to the wicked, you must resist or you wind up being dead. If we all lived in the world Jesus envisioned, turning the cheek would be lovely, but it doesn't exist and never did. About the only place you can find true peace is in Heaven and that's a different place from here.
15 posted on 09/13/2002 5:19:08 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: ovrtaxt
I love that verse, especially in light of what's happened this past year. God gives us leaders defend our country and to exact judgement. We are to support them. It's one of the most powerful verses against a policy of non-government support based on pacifism, imo.

It also makes me appreciate even more the one we have in charge now. God bless President Bush, he's got a big job, to put it mildly.
16 posted on 09/13/2002 5:20:28 AM PDT by agrace
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To: goldstategop
I half agree. The pacifism part is in play ONLY when you are a minister of the Gospel. When you are a minister of justice and a civil, righteous law, violence is a necessary tool for stopping evil. When I need a cop, I want him to show up with a loaded firearm. And when MY house is invaded, I will use mine.

But if I preach the gospel, and Im attacked for the message's sake, I should not resist.

The naive pacifists that inaccurately quote the Bible as a pacifist document are ignorant of it.
17 posted on 09/13/2002 5:25:32 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: ovrtaxt
Most Christians do not realize the cultural implication behind Jesus' Parable - which is significant.

In Roman society, hitting the cheek was done as a sign of master to slave with the "back of the hand" - an indication that power was inherent and did not need to be expressed physically.

However, Jesus said to 'turn the other cheek'. This meant that the same person would now have to strike you with the 'other' side of the hand - ie the open hand. In Roman society, this kind of striking was done among peers, or equals - ie citizen to citizen.

What Christ was saying was altogether different than the 'weakness' we suppose today - that you say to another:

"OK - you hit me. I am going to show you God's mercy and love - I am not going to hit you; in fact you can hit me again. Just realize that THIS time, I am choosing to let you hit me as an equal!

Thus Jesus was telling his audience how to demonstrate God's love but to retain - nay even take back - your Christian dignity and equality in the sight of God. Very powerful stuff!

18 posted on 09/13/2002 5:31:38 AM PDT by txzman
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To: #3Fan
J. Vernon McGee gives another interpretation in his commentaries. Essentially, he says that the Sermon On The Mount is a description of how Christians will live after the Kingdom of God is established on earth. IOW, how we would live in a perfect world and not a prescription for how we should live in this world.
19 posted on 09/13/2002 5:32:25 AM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: txzman
That's pretty cool. A christian is a slave to no man. In fact, Paul said you are either a slave to Christ or a slave to sin. Yes, another can physically enslave you by force, but inwardly you are more free than your master.

I guess that's why totalitarian governments fear Christianity so much. How can you control people with that kind of reality living within them?
20 posted on 09/13/2002 5:42:12 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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