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What the loss of Brazil to "the Reds" would mean for the United States
ESR ^ | September 9, 2002 | David T. Pyne

Posted on 09/12/2002 3:53:00 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: marron
Brazil, a country that once considered itself the equal of any country in the world

At one point, not long ago, Brazil was in line to become another major power like the US. It's a shame if they are falling back and won't realize their potential.

21 posted on 09/12/2002 5:47:10 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: andy_card
Let democracy take its course.

Sorry, but I'm not a democrat. I don't believe people should be allowed to vote themselves into slavery.

22 posted on 09/12/2002 5:48:42 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
50 years of a USA foreign policy which appeased the communists is taking its toll on this hemiphere. The chickens are coming home to roost.
23 posted on 09/12/2002 5:50:22 PM PDT by CWRWinger
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Sorry, but I'm not a democrat. I don't believe people should be allowed to vote themselves into slavery.

And I am a democrat (Admin Mod, please note the small "D"). If someone has the power to deny people the right to vote themselves into slavery, that someone must also have the power to deny folks the right to vote themselves freedom. That scares me.

24 posted on 09/12/2002 5:52:09 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
Does our Constitution allow us to relinquish our God-given rights? Does our Constitution frighten you?
25 posted on 09/12/2002 5:53:41 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: blam
Brazil has the largest population of blacks of any country outside Africa.

Do they have a reparations movement?

26 posted on 09/12/2002 6:04:41 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Tailgunner Joe
COMMUNISM WITH THE MASK OFF - Joseph Goebbels - 1935 - http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3920fc291900.htm
27 posted on 09/12/2002 6:06:09 PM PDT by hosepipe
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To: andy_card
So, as long as someone who is elected still allows "elections" it doesn't matter what they do to the democracy that elected them.

Interesting.

Excuse me for thinking you could easily be swindled.

28 posted on 09/12/2002 6:06:54 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Did we help remove Allende immediately after the election, or was it after he became unpopular and starting stripping away the local population's rights?

Allende was freely elected. However, within a few months he was a dictator who did not follow the law. I'm pretty sure he had suspended all elections so that he couldn't be voted out if we merely did nothing. He was having orgies at his presidential palace, inviting lawmakers to the orgies and getting them on film in compromising situations, then using it to blackmail them. He was considered a truly bad character for what he did after he came to power, the democracy was dysfunctional at that point. He imposed some communist rules on the economy so that things were coming to a standstill. Food was not coming into santiago, the population was getting hungry. You couldn't buy bread and other staples in the markets in the days leading to the coup. People were rioting in the streets. All we did was work with the Chilean military to get allende out. It was in fact necessary at the time. The people stopped rioting in fact after allende was killed. But allende was a communist who was elected, the US helped get rid of him, so we are the bad guys and allende is the good guy according to the liberals. But since we helped get rid of him, chile has become the most prosperous nation in latin america. Their economy is kick-ass. They have a stable democracy today. Chile benefited enormously from getting allende out and pinochet in. Argentina, Brazil and Venezuela all envy chile over what has happened since the early 1970's.

29 posted on 09/12/2002 6:08:59 PM PDT by Red Jones
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To: andy_card
"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - John Adams
30 posted on 09/12/2002 6:11:02 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Black Agnes
The politics of both nations are very different. Brazil is much more important to the stability of the Hemisphere than Argentina. Brazil once had a commie president and the result was a military coup and the generals stayed in power for years. If Lula is elected look for another national emergency as the commies take over. It would be another disaster For the US too.
31 posted on 09/12/2002 6:12:01 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Red Jones
But since we helped get rid of him, chile has become the most prosperous nation in latin america.

Absolutely true.

32 posted on 09/12/2002 6:12:30 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Red Jones
I know that. Andy has forgotten, I think. Or perhaps he never knew.

We did provide advice to the Chileans on how to get rid of him.

33 posted on 09/12/2002 6:14:46 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: cmsgop
That is not true! The commies there do hate us, but the people there like America and Americans. I know this is true, having lived there for five years. Brazilians are the friendliest people in Latin America.
34 posted on 09/12/2002 6:15:23 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Black Agnes
Let em' go. They'll starve and learn what Communism really means.
35 posted on 09/12/2002 6:19:17 PM PDT by txzman
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Brazil would be the final death of communism.
36 posted on 09/12/2002 6:22:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Otto Reich better get his act together now. I understand we're a little busy in the middle east right now but consider the following:

1) China controls the Panama Canal

2)China has the world's largest naval base in the Bahamas

3)The Chicoms are already pouring into Venezuela and plan to pump in 1,000,000 troops into Brazil

4)The Chicoms will then back up the FARC in Columbia and then work their way up through Mexico and will be on our border by 2010

5) Argentina is ripe for revolution

Chile, thanks to Pinochet, is in great shape but will soon be surrounded.

It's time to reinforce the Monroe doctrine before it's too late.

37 posted on 09/12/2002 6:34:13 PM PDT by MattinNJ
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To: Dog Gone
I surmised that you knew, I just wanted to recount the story for everyone who would read it. allende was a nightmare, the leftists who criticize america for merely helping the chileans in a minor way to get rid of him are really very cold-hearted.
38 posted on 09/12/2002 6:45:44 PM PDT by Red Jones
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To: Red Jones
What Andy doesn't realize is that the Monroe Doctrine has never been repudiatated by America, and we're not about to start under this President.

President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela is currently on a tightrope. There has already been one coup attempt. The mistake that the patriots there made was that they failed to get our approval or support in advance.

We may let Brazil taste hard leftism. But if it becomes a problem to us, it will end. James Monroe knew what he was talking about. Even then.

39 posted on 09/12/2002 6:59:52 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Cincinatus' Wife; Yakboy
Maybe Sao Paulo will try to secede again, or maybe the country will finally affirm Llosa's War of the End of the World.

Brazil is more likely to go supra-right than supra-left. Hell, it's already leftist, so the only way it could change would be to swing rightward. Lula is a career dissenter who, if elected, won't know which shoe to put on first. He will be squashed. The only way he could survive is to pretend not to be the commie that he is.

The author of this article is pissing hysteria. The danger of Lula is real, but it is not a danger of revolution. Not even Chavez can get away with that.

Now, if Brazil goes, it goes the way of Cuba, not Chile. Castro was much smarter than Allende, and more devious. Fidel played cute for a few years before pulling the trigger. I don't count Lula in either category.

Vigilence, nevertheless.

[Chavez has already driven up real estate prices in Miami. If Lula wins, it'll be even more of a seller's market... Careful, though: the NASDAQ is A-ball to a real FLA real estate game.]

40 posted on 09/12/2002 7:01:08 PM PDT by nicollo
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