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To: Aquinasfan
You asked about shielding. The quick answer is that you can shield just about anything. Some emissions will always get through, but shielding can be so good that you will need to be very close (a few feet) to detect them.

The amount of shielding needed depends on what is being shielded. Lead blocks most things, and an ordinary lead apron used by lab x-ray technicians would block a lot.

Most radiation from non-weapon sources is alpha, beta, or gamma radiation, with gamma the most powerful and least common. Finding this kind of radiation would not be particularly alarming.

Neutrons are a different story. They are most often associated with fissile materials (meaning they can be split, and go BOOM!). Detecting neutrons is a very big deal.

The amount of neutron emission from enough fissionable material to start a chain reaction is remarkably small unless the material is brought close enough together to start a chain reaction. That happens only when the weapon is set off.

Neutrons can be absorbed by lead, but materials like cadmium are usually used instead (such as control rods in nuclear reactors).

The amount of shielding needed would depend on how "hot" the material being shielded was. (Generally, you need less than the public tends to think.)

My nuke experience is 20 years old, and I don't know how sensitive our detection capability is now. Hence, I have no way to estimate exactly how much shielding would block detection at any given range. I doubt the feds are giving that info out, and it would depend on what was being shielded anyway.

However, I certainly know the basics. I am extremely interested in finding out if neutron emissions were detected. I would also like to know what was meant by "fluctuating" levels of radiation, and what the suspicious noises from the hold were.

If anyone can confirm that neutron emissions were detected, that would be huge.

352 posted on 09/12/2002 12:20:15 PM PDT by EternalHope
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To: EternalHope; Aquinasfan
Most fissile isotopes are alpha emitters (Pu-239/U-235) and thus are hard to detect. Pu-239 does have other Pu-isotopes in it (Pu-241 & other odd-numbered isotopes (isotope separation is hard to do) and low-levels of other elements).

If it is a 'dirty' bomb then neutrons are a distinct possibility.
386 posted on 09/12/2002 1:07:05 PM PDT by NukeMan
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To: EternalHope
Re #352

I love posters that know their $h!t. Very informative.

392 posted on 09/12/2002 1:12:19 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: EternalHope
I got this from an LSU professor, but he didn't include the URL with his email:

"“U.S. Special Operations forces on Thursday joined members of the Energy Department’s Nuclear Emergency Search Team on board a Liberian-flagged container ship off the coast of New Jersey to search for nuclear material, Pentagon officials told NBC News. The search of the M/V Palermo Senator was based primarily on intelligence suggesting a ship matching its description could be carrying nuclear material or a nuclear device into the United States ... scientists said the initial readings indicated the presence of both gamma and neutron emissions, an indicator of an improvised nuclear device. The NEST squad was established in 1974 to seek out and dismantle “improvised nuclear devices,” but has been used over the years to investigate suspicious radiological sources.

The Palermo Senator is owned by the firm Reederei F. Laeisz of Hamburg, Germany, and regularly plies the route between New York and the Far East. Its last port of call was Valencia, Spain, but in the past several weeks it has stopped and picked up cargo in Bandar Abbas, Iran; Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, and Karachi, Pakistan.”


406 posted on 09/12/2002 1:42:46 PM PDT by Thud
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