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Prior Knowledge of Sept. 11 Not Just Urban Legend
Insight ^ | Sept. 10, 2002 | Jeffrey Scott Shapiro

Posted on 09/12/2002 7:09:48 AM PDT by honway

"What are you looking at?" asked the schoolteacher as she approached one of her freshman students. The boy, a young Palestinian, seemed captivated as he stared out the window across Brooklyn toward the lower downtown area of Manhattan.

"Do you see those two buildings?" he asked while pointing toward the World Trade Center. "They won't be standing there next week." It was noon, Sept. 6, 2001.

Antoinette DiLorenzo didn't take her student's comment all too seriously. Of course the twin towers would be there next week, she assured him. The student shook his head and reiterated his prediction until his 15-year old brother, a sophomore, elbowed him and told him to be quiet. "He's just kidding," the older boy said politely.

Five days later at 8:45 a.m., DiLorenzo heard a loud explosion from the north. Thunderstruck, she turned to the window and eventually watched both towers collapse into shattered glass and crumbled steel.

Many people believed this story was nothing more than an urban legend when they first heard it. Everyone has heard similar stories in the wake of such a disaster. Despite the almost unbelievable circumstances of the story, I was able to confirm it last October while working as a crime reporter for the Journal News, a New York-based Gannett newspaper. Catie Marshall, a spokeswoman for the New York City Board of Education, confirmed that school officials reported the incident to police and that the matter had since been taken over by the FBI Joint Terrorist Task Force (FBI-JTTF).

New Utrecht High School was closed Sept. 12, 2001, but as soon as it reopened the following morning, a shaken DiLorenzo quietly approached a New York City Police Department (NYPD) school-safety officer in the school's first-floor lobby. Soon, a dozen investigators stormed the school, interrogating students and searching lockers.

After federal agents questioned DiLorenzo, police detectives questioned her fourth-period class to see if anyone else had heard the boy's comments. Once the detectives were finished, the boy and his brother forcibly were taken to the 62nd Precinct headquarters, where two investigators with the FBI-JTTF questioned them for several hours. Their father, who was in Israel at the time of the attacks, was scheduled to fly home Sept. 11 on a commercial airliner, but he was delayed when all flights to the United States were grounded.

"They asked us if we knew [Osama] bin Laden or if we knew the airline hijackers," the older brother told me. "They were convinced my brother was not only a part of the attacks but that he had helped plan them. They believed it, I could see it in their eyes."

The two boys were grilled for hours. By the end of the interviews, they had answered repeated questions about what they had said in class the week before.

"From the angle we were looking at, you could only see one of the trade towers because one was hidden behind the other," the older brother told me. "My brother likes attention, and so he called me over and pointed out the window toward the tower. He smiled at me and said, 'Do you know why you can only see one building? Because I blew the other one up.'"

The first time I heard the boy's explanation I considered that he was telling me the truth. But school officials said the boy's explanation about the twin towers simply didn't add up.

"You may not have been able to clearly see the gap between them, but you could certainly tell there were two buildings," one official told me.

My story was published Oct. 11, 2001, by the Journal News ? on page 7A. The editors' reason for publishing the story on the inside was that it was "sensitive" and could cause a great deal of "outrage and backlash." By the end of the day I was back to being a free-lancer.

The next day, Jonathan Alter published an online column for Newsweek.com that verified my story, and MSNBC repeatedly played an interview I had given Matt Lauer that morning on the Today show. Both the Daily News and the New York Post published follow-ups crediting the Journal News, and I received phone calls from media organizations from across the nation.

Both Dateline NBC and ABC's 20/20 invited me to their offices and asked me to do a follow-up with them. Unfortunately, no one from the school or police department was authorized to grant them an on-camera interview, which made it difficult for them to go forward. Luckily, an editor at a Manhattan-based magazine contracted me to stay on the story.

During my continued investigation I learned that the FBI-JTTF was investigating two other students in the New York metropolitan area for the same reason.

On Sept. 10, 2001, a sixth-grade student of Middle Eastern descent in Jersey City, N.J., said something that alarmed his teacher at Martin Luther King Jr. Elementary School. "Essentially, he warned her to stay away from lower Manhattan because something bad was going to happen," said Sgt. Edgar Martinez, deputy director of police services for the Jersey City Police Department. Initially, the Jersey City rumor was met with some controversy. The New York Times called it an unsubstantiated rumor, and both the Daily News and the Jersey Journal quoted a board of education official who denied that the boy had made any reference to the Sept. 11 attacks at all. Despite their reports, Martinez said the FBI-JTTF took over the matter for further investigation.

On Sept. 11, NYPD school-safety officers interrogated a Middle Eastern boy at Health Opportunities High School in the Bronx who had made similar comments that alarmed his teacher. Catie Marshall said the boy told his peers something as the school was being evacuated on Sept. 11.

"He warned them not to ride any city buses because he had been told at his mosque the week before to stay off all public transportation for a while," said one NYPD officer from the investigating 40th Precinct. "He said it wouldn't be safe." The FBI-JTTF since has taken over the matter.

One New Utrecht official told me that of the 509 Arab-American students who attend the school, many have come forward with their own stories about having prior knowledge. "Kids are telling us that the attacks didn't surprise them," she told me. "This was a nicely protected little secret that circulated in the community around here. I guess they were talking about it among themselves, but they didn't share it with us ? at least not before the attacks."

According to students, many of their Arab-American peers were seen taking photographs of the crumbling twin towers from New Utrecht on Sept. 11. "Don't you think it's strange so many of them happened to take their cameras to school that particular day?" one student asked me.

I was beginning to get the picture. Both Brooklyn and New Jersey historically have been associated with terrorism. According to an FBI indictment against bin-Laden, al-Qaeda members used to operate secretly out of the now-defunct Alikifah Refugee Center on Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn, an office surrounded by Islamic schools and mosques. Today, the former organization's address has been stripped from the building and co-opted into a private business that sells Middle Eastern fragrances, incense and hardbound copies of the Koran. Those familiar with the center told me that New Jersey-based Egyptian cleric Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman was a frequent visitor to the secret al-Qaeda hideout.

Police always have had concerns about sleeper agents in the area. They particularly were concerned by a story I had heard from several NYPD sources about an abandoned rental car that was parked in front of a mosque only a few blocks from New Utrecht.

The car had been rented under the phony name "Bomkr" from Logan International Airport in Boston shortly before the attacks. Investigators thought the name sounded a lot like "bomb car." The anonymous party rented several other cars from Logan, all of which either have disappeared or been abandoned. Police suspect the cars were used by al-Qaeda operatives to return to their home bases after the attacks.

I turned in my story to my editor who, after reading it, hesitated and then opted to pay me a kill fee instead. I called the New York Times Magazine. "I don't doubt the boy actually said these things," a top editor told me. "But we don't know why he said them."

I received a similar wave of responses from a variety of national magazines. I reflected on a conversation I had had with someone I knew at NBC who told me that Dateline actually had known about the New Utrecht incident before I published my story. "No one wanted to follow up on it," he told me. "They figured it either wasn't true or it would be too hard. They were only interested in the story after you broke it first."

It's been one year since I first began working this story. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about what that man at NBC said to me. Even Marshall admitted she was surprised that it took as long as it did for the New Utrecht story to get out and that she was even more surprised that more news agencies didn't follow up.

I don't have the resources to continue an ongoing investigation into who had prior knowledge of the attacks ? but I am sure someone out there does. Many things have happened since I broke my first story. On Nov. 9, 2001, my sources informed me that the same boy who predicted the attacks told school officials there would be a plane crash on Nov. 12. I decided to inform an FBI agent I knew who told me that without specific information, there was little they could do.

Once again, the boy's prophecy came true.

Three minutes after American Airlines Flight 587 took off from JFK International Airport to the Dominican Republic, both its engines fell from its wings, dooming the plane to crash in Belle Harbor, located in the Rockaway section of Queens. Of the 260 people aboard, there were no survivors. To date, authorities suspect the crash was an accident. I'm not so sure.

Recently I learned the investigation into the New Utrecht incident had been closed because authorities were "unable to obtain any further viable information that would explain what really happened." School sources tell me DiLorenzo has "stood firm" on her account of the boy's comments.

There's a story out there ? and it needs to be covered.

Jeffrey Scott Shapiro is an investigative reporter who spent several months covering the Sept. 11 attacks in New York City. He still is researching the issue of prior knowledge and can be reached at JBsAVENGER@aol.com.


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To: The Old Hoosier
I believe the picture was intended to represent a future battle, since not much in the picture is represenative of any past battle. Any battle portrayed would glorify a Muslim victory and there are no Muslim victories on the battlefield consistent with the Bradleys,helicopters, and the other objects in the sky. Some say they are parachutes, some say they are balloons.

It is interesting to note that weapons inspectors in Iraq identified helicopters with aerial dispensers as Iraq's most advanced form of a distribution system for biological weapons.

Additionally, plans for using balloons to dispense biological weapons were discovered in Al-Qaeda hands in Afghanistan.

For those that identify the objects as parachutes, I know of no past Muslim victory where Muslim parachutists played an important role.

21 posted on 09/12/2002 8:27:22 AM PDT by honway
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To: honway
Unless the brothers were twins or one failed a grade....what were they doing in the same class?
22 posted on 09/12/2002 8:27:39 AM PDT by shiva
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To: Orangedog
It is a common saying in Arabic. But the resemblance of the illustration to that event in October 1999 cannot be coincidental, especially since October is the first month on this page of the calendar.
23 posted on 09/12/2002 8:30:34 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier
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To: honway
That's very interesting. The only way it could be the Gulf war, I think, is if it commemorates the time when we turned back. After that, Saddam spun the thing as a victory for himself.
24 posted on 09/12/2002 8:32:40 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier
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To: The Old Hoosier
" would add, though, to support my theory, that September is not one of the months on this page of the calendar."

I can't read that scribble, but it does look like that middle month is September. The days are M T W T F S S read from the top right down the columns. If you tilt your head to the right and put Sunday in the last (bottom) column, it works for September 2001, and it also works for August (on the right), and October (on the left).

I'm just guessing though.
25 posted on 09/12/2002 8:41:57 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Born to Conserve
The months, from right to left, are october, november, december. It's hard to read, but I think Saturday (Sabat) is the first day, Friday (Juma'a, their sabbath) is the last day of the week.
26 posted on 09/12/2002 8:48:49 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier
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To: The Old Hoosier
I won't discount or entirely reject your interpretation of the picture, as you have made some valid points. My opinion however, is that this would represent 9/11. While the plane is over water, Manhattan IS an island and thus, surrounded by water. A depiction of the 9/11 that includes being over water would not be inconsistant.

While some details do not perfectly match the events at the WTC, there are several reasons which I believe that could still allow this to be a pre 9/11 depiction of the attack:

Recent al Jazera(sp) interviews of al Qaeda operatives indicate that the 9/11 targets did in fact change at least once. Also, the precise targets may not have been known to the artist when the calendar was being assembled. If he did know that the WTC was the target and airliners would be used as weapons, the artists desired "interpretation" could still be as the picture was drawn, since the statue of liberty leaves no doubt as to where it will happen, the plane coming from the clouds, "guided" by the light of Allah. The plane being in flames could be artistic license to depict the plane as being a weapon. It could also represent one of the planes AFTER the attack, which has crashed through one side of a tower and out the other, then crashing into the ocean. Artists offen embellish on some details of a drawing to add to the underlying depiction of an event.

Now if the other drawings could more closely be linked with glorifying past acts of "martyrs" whos actions they wanted to celebrate, that would be a plus for your theory, but I haven't really seen anything in the other picture to support that

....just my opinion.
27 posted on 09/12/2002 8:56:50 AM PDT by Orangedog
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Egypt's flag

Sorry for the misleading information on the flag. I think it is clear the flag in the calendar picture is the Egyptian flag.

28 posted on 09/12/2002 9:05:39 AM PDT by honway
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To: honway
BTTT
29 posted on 09/12/2002 9:06:02 AM PDT by TigersEye
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To: The Old Hoosier; honway
Sorry, I meant that on the Iraq war calendar, the months are April, May, June.
30 posted on 09/12/2002 9:09:50 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier
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To: honway
Aha! This probably has something to do with Sinai, then.
31 posted on 09/12/2002 9:10:37 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier
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To: honway
Is there any way to get the other pages of this calendar online?
32 posted on 09/12/2002 9:12:07 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier
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To: honway
On Nov. 12th, President Bush spoke at the UN. I wonder when that speech was scheduled, and how long the date had been public knowledge.
33 posted on 09/12/2002 9:12:14 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: honway
"What are you looking at?" asked the schoolteacher as she approached one of her freshman students. The boy, a young Palestinian, seemed captivated as he stared out the window across Brooklyn toward the lower downtown area of Manhattan.

The boy was Pakistani.

It's too bad that in (correctly) debunking the charge of Urban Legend on at least this part of the story, the author made a heavy-duty factual error in his second sentence.




34 posted on 09/12/2002 9:18:05 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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bump for later read. (I'm at work you know!)
35 posted on 09/12/2002 9:22:27 AM PDT by dpa5923
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To: honway
I know of at least two people who had these kinds of experience. One was Neighbor "A" who told Neighbor "B" on 9/10 that confidentially, he shouldn't go to work that next day - after the attacks "B" called the FBI, and "A" was picked up by the Feds.

The other was a doctor in the group my family was going to at the time, who upon hearing of the attacks was heard by his office mates to say "Finally!" or something to that effect. A few days later he was led out of the office in handcuffs, his PC confiscated.

Not Urban Legend.

36 posted on 09/12/2002 10:33:31 AM PDT by lds23
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To: honway
bump for later.
37 posted on 09/12/2002 10:42:57 AM PDT by PsyOp
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To: honway; thinden
Excellent article and interesting discussion thread. Thanks honway.
38 posted on 09/12/2002 10:56:40 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: aristeides
This may explain why Flight 587 crashed on Veteran's Day 2001. It may also suggest who is responsible.

National Day of Silence for the Children of Iraq:
Veterans Day Weekend, November 11, 2000

Purpose and Plan of Action

As 10 years come to a close since the implementation of the United Nations economic sanctions against Iraq, over 1,000,000 civilians (over 500,000 of them children) have been killed. These economic sanctions not only prevent the Iraqi people from receiving proper nourishment and medical treatment, but they prevent the growth of an infrastructure that can be utilized by the civilians to pull themselves out of their current state.

The United States has played the lead role in maintaining the economic sanctions, despite protests from many Americans, human rights activists, and nations across the globe. The rationale behind this continued policy is to keep a check on the Iraqi government’s insistence on developing nuclear weaponry. Whatever the justification for the economic sanctions, it must be noted that the ten year-long economic starvation of a people has not achieved any of the stated ends. Misrepresentation of these facts has led many elected officials to feel pressured to support economic sanctions, despite the devastatingly inhumane effects they have on an entire nation.

The following plan has been designed to please God by taking action against injustice, educate the American public about the unjust effects of the sanctions, and educate elected officials to support a lifting of the sanctions.

The National Day of Silence for the Children of Iraq serves as a vehicle to bring the plight of the Iraqi people to the forefront of the American conscience. One designated hour of the Day of Silence, 12-1 p.m. (Pacific Standard Time) will be held as a nationally recognized period of silence and prayer in memory of all those who have died and those who continue to suffer under the sanctions. Regional coordinators will organize a communal prayer/silent demonstration in their respective locations.

The Day of Silence is designed as a springboard and focal point for the organized movement to help the people of Iraq. The campaign strategy includes media networking, community outreach, and political campaigning.

39 posted on 09/12/2002 11:27:39 AM PDT by honway
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To: The Old Hoosier

40 posted on 09/12/2002 11:45:14 AM PDT by honway
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