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To: thisiskubrick
You've said a lot of words but have made no logical, or rational argument unfortunately. Your's is an emotional appeal much like Rodney King asking "Can't we all just get along?".

Fact: Iraq is an avowed enemy of the US soon to be in posession of nuclear weapons, and currently in posession of biological weapons. They support and harbor terrorists.

It is extreme hubris to assume murderers will become nice people by talking to them and cajoling them after they have already come to our places of work and murdered our families.

Perhaps we should disarm our police forces? or at least tell them never to use their guns if they are faced with a violent situation.

Your "argument" makes no sense in any context in which we are faced with irredeemable murderers and enemies.

LOL "hubris" you say? No, it wasn't even hubris when the colonial Americans took on King George III.

It was principle, morality and even self-defense.

Which facts about the situation do you not understand?

79 posted on 09/12/2002 1:38:40 PM PDT by Mark Felton
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To: Mark Felton
You've said a lot of words but have made no logical, or rational argument unfortunately. Your's is an emotional appeal much like Rodney King asking "Can't we all just get along?".

It is extreme hubris to assume murderers will become nice people by talking to them and cajoling them after they have already come to our places of work and murdered our families.

Perhaps we should disarm our police forces? or at least tell them never to use their guns if they are faced with a violent situation.

Your "argument" makes no sense in any context in which we are faced with irredeemable murderers and enemies. LOL "hubris" you say? No, it wasn't even hubris when the colonial Americans took on King George III.

Colonial Americans taking on King George III is exactly what I'm talking about. The Brits were stretched too thin and their colonies revolted, in all parts of the world.

They couldn't afford beating back every single rebellion as their colonies chipped away at British power worldwide.

I am not talking about any emotional appeal whatsoever. I am not saying "let's get along" or "let's be nice".

First off, remember a former evil empire called the Soviet Union? Didn't we contain them and successfully avert war? Even though many of their leaders such as Stalin etc. were as murderous as Saddam?

Saddam is a murderous pig, but not a total idiot. He knows that if he strikes, we strike back. But, ok, suppose we topple Iraq. What comes after that?

I am talking about cold, hard, rational, logical MONEY. You are suggesting that we indefinitely occupy Iraq, Iran, and so on. We may even be doing it for the right reasons, the wrong reasons, whatever. But that doesn't matter.

The "hubris" I'm talking about is thinking that the US treasury can provide the money for sort of thing indefinitely.

We need to protect our country and way of life by guarding our financial security! Time and time again history shows that powerful countries rapidly become weak ones by attempting to hold on to every single (*#(*& patch of earth.

Stan Kubrick

86 posted on 09/12/2002 7:42:40 PM PDT by thisiskubrick
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