[RnMomof7]

Can a man be forgiven with out repentance? (remember that the atonment had not yet been accomplished...). Can one man repent for another? Why did Jesus not arrange forgiveness for the other thief?

863 aphiemi {af-ee'-ay-mee}

from 575 and hiemi (to send, an intens. form of eimi, to go);
TDNT - 1:509,88; v

AV - leave 52, forgive 47, suffer 14, let 8, forsake 6, let alone 6,
misc 13; 146

1) to send away
1a) to bid going away or depart
1a1) of a husband divorcing his wife
1b) to send forth, yield up, to expire
1c) to let go, let alone, let be
1c1) to disregard
1c2) to leave, not to discuss now, (a topic)
1c21) of teachers, writers and speakers
1c3) to omit, neglect
1d) to let go, give up a debt, forgive, to remit
1e) to give up, keep no longer
2) to permit, allow, not to hinder, to give up a thing to a person
3) to leave, go way from one
3a) in order to go to another place
3b) to depart from any one
3c) to depart from one and leave him to himself so that all
mutual claims are abandoned
3d) to desert wrongfully
3e) to go away leaving something behind
3f) to leave one by not taking him as a companion
3g) to leave on dying, leave behind one
3h) to leave so that what is left may remain, leave remaining
3i) abandon, leave destitute


In Matt 3:15 it is translated "suffer", Matt 4;11 allow etc...perhaps you need to rethink it :>) It is rather like the pas discussion...

[HiTech RedNeck]

I could easily turn your rhetoric around: can a man repent without forgiveness?

[HiTech RedNeck]

Perhaps 2000 years of Roman Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox Christianity united on this particular matter needs to rethink it, you mean :>)