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To: Orual
Men must deserve salvation, they must work at it and live their lives accordingly

uh...I think the Apostle Paul might have disagreed with you. You might want to give that New Testament another read. Or not. It's up to you of course.

312 posted on 09/11/2002 12:18:31 PM PDT by cmak9
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To: cmak9
Re: #132. That quote you referred to was part of an on-going discussion between another poster and me. You can't pull it out of the context of the entire dialogue and comment unless you read all the previous posts.
314 posted on 09/11/2002 12:22:31 PM PDT by Orual
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To: cmak9
Sorry, I transposed the numbers. It was your post #312.
315 posted on 09/11/2002 12:23:17 PM PDT by Orual
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To: cmak9
You might want to give that New Testament another read.

For your perusal: Romans 1

21 Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God or given thanks: but became vain in their thoughts. And their foolish heart was darkened.
22 For, professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
23 And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts and of creeping things.
24 Wherefore, God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness: to dishonour their own bodies among themselves.
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause, God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature.
27 And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts, one towards another: men with men, working that which is filthy and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.
28 And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient.
29 Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness: full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity: whisperers,
30 Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Foolish, dissolute: without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.
32 Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death: and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.

Anything here you don't understand?

316 posted on 09/11/2002 12:31:19 PM PDT by Orual
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