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To: lyonesse
...a revolution that can dislodge the House of Saud, a la the Shah of Iran, can equally throw out the hated Americans.

The conclusion is a non sequitur that does not follow from the premise. That is, just becasue a revolution could dislodge the House of Saud, does not mean it could dislodge the US military from the oil fields.

2 posted on 09/09/2002 12:22:05 PM PDT by dark_lord
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To: dark_lord
I agree with you, D.L. If the West can find the resolve to defend itself, defense of the oil fields will be easy.

The hard part's finding the resolve.

6 posted on 09/09/2002 12:59:35 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: dark_lord
Agreed..the argument assumes that Saud and America are equal in might.

Regardless though I think the article raises some extremely precient points. In the 1300's there was a sweeping expansion of the "Islamic" Empire into India as well as conquering a good portion of Europe. Ironically the way they (muslims) accomplished this objective was to spearhead these conquests with decades long "migrations" (read immigration) of islamic peoples into the conquered areas. When the population centers got large enough they struck. Like bringing a viper to your bosom. The end result was the conquest of most of Persia and India as well as a third of western Europe before once again the tides shifted and several hundreds of years later Europe managed to win back what was once theirs from the Islamic hordes. Frankly Islamic history is full of examples of so called "Immigrants" who later turned out to be little more then "peaceful invasions" that stopped being peaceful once they had enough strength. The west has been fighting off Islamic "invasion" for more than a millnium. It is amazing how quickly we forget history and as the old adage goes those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
Where I think the article has extreme merit is that I personally believe that things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. The Wests insistance on IGNORING the facts of history and the facts of the current situation on the ground are leading us down a very dangerous path. These so called "immigrants" even admit openly that there ultimate goal is to convert the western world to Islamic rule and yet despite this admission Western Government choose to ignore the realities. Eventually those realities are going to rear their ugly head in a very unpleasant fashion. A lot of people (perhaps millions) will be dead before it is over. Th emost frustrating thing is that if our leadership would just have the guts and courage to actually lead We could stop this mess before it even gets started.
10 posted on 09/09/2002 1:30:41 PM PDT by Prysson
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