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Ninth Amendment - Uneumerated Rights - or Illegitimate?
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Posted on 09/08/2002 9:43:03 AM PDT by tpaine

U.S. Constitution: Ninth Amendment

Ninth Amendment - Unenumerated Rights

 

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.  

Rights Retained by the People

Aside from contending that a bill of rights was unnecessary, the Federalists responded to those opposing ratification of the Constitution because of the lack of a declaration of fundamental rights by arguing that inasmuch as it would be impossible to list all rights it would be dangerous to list some because there would be those who would seize on the absence of the omitted rights to assert that government was unrestrained as to those. 1
Madison adverted to this argument in presenting his proposed amendments to the House of Representatives. ''It has been objected also against a bill of rights, that, by enumerating particular exceptions to the grant of power, it would disparage those rights which were not placed in that enumeration; and it might follow by implication, that those rights which were not singled out, were intended to be assigned into the hands of the General Government, and were consequently insecure. This is one of the most plausible arguments I have ever heard against the admission of a bill of rights into this system; but, I conceive, that it may be guarded against. I have attempted it, as gentlemen may see by turning to the last clause of the fourth resolution.'' 2
It is clear from its text and from Madison's statement that the Amendment states but a rule of construction, making clear that a Bill of Rights might not by implication be taken to increase the powers of the national government in areas not enumerated, and that it does not contain within itself any guarantee of a right or a proscription of an infringement. 3
Recently, however, the Amendment has been construed to be positive affirmation of the existence of rights which are not enumerated but which are nonetheless protected by other provisions.

The Ninth Amendment had been mentioned infrequently in decisions of the Supreme Court 4 until it became the subject of some exegesis by several of the Justices in Griswold v. Connecticut. 5 There a statute prohibiting use of contraceptives was voided as an infringement of the right of marital privacy. Justice Douglas, writing the opinion of the Court, asserted that the ''specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have penumbras, formed by emanations from those guarantees that help give them life and substance.'' 6
Thus, while privacy is nowhere mentioned, it is one of the values served and protected by the First Amendment, through its protection of associational rights, and by the Third, the Fourth, and the Fifth Amendments as well. The Justice recurred to the text of the Ninth Amendment, apparently to support the thought that these penumbral rights are protected by one Amendment or a complex of Amendments despite the absence of a specific reference. Justice Goldberg, concurring, devoted several pages to the Amendment.

''The language and history of the Ninth Amendment reveal that the Framers of the Constitution believed that there are additional fundamental rights, protected from governmental infringement, which exist alongside those fundamental rights specifically mentioned in the first eight constitutional amendments.
. . . To hold that a right so basic and fundamental and so deep-rooted in our society as the right of privacy in marriage may be infringed because that right is not guaranteed in so many words by the first eight amendments to the Constitution is to ignore the Ninth Amendment and to give it no effect whatsoever. Moreover, a judicial construction that this fundamental right is not protected by the Constitution because it is not mentioned in explicit terms by one of the first eight amendments or elsewhere in the Constitution would violate the Ninth Amendment.
. . . Nor do I mean to state that the Ninth Amendment constitutes an independent source of right protected from infringement by either the States or the Federal Government. Rather, the Ninth Amendment shows a belief of the Constitution's authors that fundamental rights exist that are not expressly enumerated in the first eight amendments and an intent that the list of rights included there not be deemed exhaustive.'' 7
While, therefore, neither opinion sought to make of the Ninth Amendment a substantive source of constitutional guarantees, both did read it as indicating a function of the courts to interpose a veto with regard to legislative and executive efforts to abridge other fundamental rights. In this case, both opinions seemed to concur that the fundamental right claimed and upheld was derivative of several express rights and in this case, really, the Ninth Amendment added almost nothing to the argument. But if there is a claim of a fundamental right which cannot reasonably be derived from one of the provisions of the Bill of Rights, even with the Ninth Amendment, how is the Court to determine, first, that it is fundamental, and second, that it is protected from abridgment? 8  

Footnotes

[Footnote 1] The Federalist No. 84 (Modern Library ed. 1937).

[Footnote 2] 1 Annals of Congress 439 (1789). Earlier, Madison had written to Jefferson: ''My own opinion has always been in favor of a bill of rights; provided it be so framed as not to imply powers not meant to be included in the enumeration. . . . I have not viewed it in an important light--1. because I conceive that in a certain degree . . . the rights in question are reserved by the manner in which the federal powers are granted. 2. because there is great reason to fear that a positive declaration of some of the most essential rights could not be obtained in the requisite latitude. I am sure that the rights of conscience in particular, if submitted to public definition would be narrowed much more than they are likely ever to be by an assumed power.'' 5 Writings of James Madison, 271-72 (G. Hunt ed. 1904). See also 3 J. Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States 1898 (1833).

[Footnote 3] To some extent, the Ninth and Tenth Amendments overlap with respect to the question of unenumerated powers, one of the two concerns expressed by Madison, more clearly in his letter to Jefferson but also present in his introductory speech. Supra, n.2 and accompanying text.

[Footnote 4] In United Public Workers v. Mitchell, 330 U.S. 75, 94 -95 (1947), upholding the Hatch Act, the Court said: ''We accept appellant's contention that the nature of political rights reserved to the people by the Ninth and Tenth Amendments [is] involved. The right claimed as inviolate may be stated as the right of a citizen to act as a party official or worker to further his own political views. Thus we have a measure of interference by the Hatch Act and the Rules with what otherwise would be the freedom of the civil servant under the First, Ninth, and Tenth Amendments.'' See Ashwander v. TVA, 297 U.S. 288, 300 - 11 (1936), and Tennessee Electric Power Co. v. TVA, 306 U.S. 118, 143 -44 (1939). See also Justice Chase's opinion in Calder v. Bull, 3 U.S. (3 Dall.) 386, 388 (1798), and Justice Miller for the Court in Loan Ass'n v. Topeka, 87 U.S. (20 Wall.) 655, 662 -63 (1875).

[Footnote 5]   381 U.S. 479 (1965).

[Footnote 6] Id. at 484. The opinion was joined by Chief Justice Warren and by Justices Clark, Goldberg, and Brennan.

[Footnote 7] Id. at 488, 491, 492. Chief Justice Warren and Justice Brennan joined this opinion. Justices Harlan and White concurred id. at 499, 502, without alluding to the Ninth Amendment, but instead basing their conclusions on substantive due process, finding that the state statute ''violates basic values implicit in the concept of ordered liberty,'' (citing Palko v. Connecticut, 302 U.S. 319, 325 (1937)). Id. at 500. It would appear that the source of the fundamental rights to which Justices Douglas and Goldberg referred must be found in a concept of substantive due process, despite the former's express rejection of this ground. Id. at 481-82. Justices Black and Stewart dissented. Justice Black viewed the Ninth Amendment ground as essentially a variation of the due process argument under which Justices claimed the right to void legislation as irrational, unreasonable, or offensive, without finding any violation of an express constitutional provision.

[Footnote 8] Notice the recurrence to the Ninth Amendment as a ''constitutional 'saving clause''' in Chief Justice Burger's plurality opinion in Richmond Newspapers v. Virginia, 448 U.S. 555, 579 -80 & n.15 (1980). Scholarly efforts to establish the clause as a substantive protection of rights include J. Ely, Democracy and Distrust--A Theory of Judicial Review (Cambridge: 1980), 34-41; and C. Black, Decision According to Law (New York: 1981), critically reviewed in W. Van Alstyne, Slouching Toward Bethlehem with the Ninth Amendment, 91 Yale L. J. 207 (1981). For a collection of articles on the Ninth Amendment, see The Rights Retained by the People: The History and Meaning of the Ninth Amendment (Randy E. Barnett, ed., 1989)


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To: SpencerRoane
You're right that the debate over the 14th can certainly get involved and convoluted, so for me to give all my reactions to the incorporation doctrine would stir it all up again, and you seem like someone who's familiar with most of the arguments. So I'll just confine myself to three observations.

The first is that I don't believe that the BOR represents privileges of citizenship, because a privilege implies something that is unavailable to people outside the group (i.e. non-citizens), whereas the BOR applies to "persons", not just citizens.

Second, the 5th amendment provides against violations of due process. So I'm at a loss to understand why such a protection would be explicitly repeated in the 14th, if it's already implied by the P&I clause.

And third, and perhaps most important, if the framers of the 14th had truly meant to incorporate the BOR against the states, I see no reason why they couldn't have made that explicit. Especially for something as momentous as this, I would think they would have wanted to be very clear about it. "No State shall abridge any of the rights enumerated in the first 8 articles of amendment to the Constitution." Done. In fewer words than they ended up using. I can't for the life of me understand why they didn't just come out with it if that's what they wanted to say.

121 posted on 09/08/2002 5:49:50 PM PDT by inquest
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To: SpencerRoane
There really should be some minimal educational requirements for posting on constitutional issues.

Agreed. Otherwise, we'd have high school dropouts with a mail order doctorate degrees on law running for the office of Chief Justice of the Texas Supreme Court. ;)

122 posted on 09/08/2002 5:52:53 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: tpaine
Your diversionary tactics still aren't working. At issue is what the 9th said originally. The 14th amendment has no bearing on that particular question.

Again, would you like to respond to #64 with a relevant argument?

123 posted on 09/08/2002 5:55:20 PM PDT by inquest
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To: inquest
"you brought up the 14th amendment, which had nothing to do with whether or not the 9th, as it was originally conceived, applied only to the feds." - inquest

The 14th was ratified because the 9th, and all the rest of the BORs were being violated by the states after the civil war. -- The 1868 debates are in the congressional record for all to see.

Your denials of known facts are ludicrous. What is it about the 'states rights' mania that brings out the worse in men? Strange to reject your own inalienable rights.
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"Your diversionary tactics still aren't working. At issue is what the 9th said originally. The 14th amendment has no bearing on that particular question."

We know what the ninth 'said'. You deny its clear intent to retain rights for the people.
Your 'diversionary' repetition bores me. Get a new line, or bug out.

124 posted on 09/08/2002 6:36:31 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Texasforever; yall
I really twisted old Tex's knickers this time didn't I? It appears that is remarks on the 9th being "illegitimate" have not gotten the reaction he intended.

125 posted on 09/08/2002 6:43:48 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Tpaine I want to thank you for all the publicity. You are my very bestest friend.
126 posted on 09/08/2002 6:45:50 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: longshadow
Thread here, thread gone, thread back again - I can't keep up ;)
127 posted on 09/08/2002 6:46:34 PM PDT by general_re
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To: Texasforever

You're more than welcome, tex.
Heres your original post, still up on the libertarian thread - the kind of publicity you love.
Lets see if it passes the anono-mod decency test on this thread, one more time.
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To: Le-Roy

"What does that amendment say, and how can it possibly be construed in any other way? Do you propose to assert that that amendment is in some manner illegitimate?" Le-roy

It is and always has been an illegitimate amendment. I can define anything under the sun as a 9th amendment "right". I can claim it is my 9th amendment "right" to fornicate with a goat on my front porch and it is as legitimate as you claiming you have a 9th amendment right to shoot me if I do. The 9th amendment is like a letter to Santa, only kids aged 3 to 8 years old believe in it.

210 posted on 9/8/02 12:54 AM Pacific by Texasforever
128 posted on 09/08/2002 6:58:04 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: general_re
'Tex' apparently has a personal protector on the mod squad, that pulls embarrassing threads & posts for him. -- No big deal.
129 posted on 09/08/2002 7:01:15 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: inquest
"The first is that I don't believe that the BOR represents privileges of citizenship, because a privilege implies something that is unavailable to people outside the group (i.e. non-citizens), whereas the BOR applies to "persons", not just citizens."

[Excellent point--and one not often made. On the other hand, the drafters of the 14th Amendment weren't known for their attention to these particular kinds of details.]

"Second, the 5th amendment provides against violations of due process. So I'm at a loss to understand why such a protection would be explicitly repeated in the 14th, if it's already implied by the P&I clause."

[Maybe because the P&I clause was only intended to cover citizens, while the due process clause covered the broader category of persons. But this goes against my point above that the 14th amendment's framers were not exactly the Elders on the Rhine.]

"And third, and perhaps most important, if the framers of the 14th had truly meant to incorporate the BOR against the states, I see no reason why they couldn't have made that explicit. Especially for something as momentous as this, I would think they would have wanted to be very clear about it. "No State shall abridge any of the rights enumerated in the first 8 articles of amendment to the Constitution." Done. In fewer words than they ended up using. I can't for the life of me understand why they didn't just come out with it if that's what they wanted to say."

[Fair point--and in my view a pretty good one. Maybe they wanted incorporation plus natural rights. Maybe they intentionally kept it vague because they knew they couldn't otherwise get it ratified.]

130 posted on 09/08/2002 7:03:00 PM PDT by SpencerRoane
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To: Cultural Jihad
"Agreed. Otherwise, we'd have high school dropouts with a mail order doctorate degrees on law running for the office of Chief Justice of the Texas Supreme Court. ;)"

I thought it was the OTHER Don Yarborough!

131 posted on 09/08/2002 7:05:48 PM PDT by SpencerRoane
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To: tpaine
Tpaine please tell me how my opinion is wrong? People have a "right" to do anything they please. If that goes unchallenged then it is recognized as a "right". However; there is a process in this country that allows those that do not agree that "goat fornication" is a "right” until established by a 3rd party intervener (judicial or legislative). There is absolutely no human activity that cannot be claimed as a 9th amendment right. For that reason alone the 9th amendment is a dead letter.
132 posted on 09/08/2002 7:28:56 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
if there is a claim of a fundamental right which cannot reasonably be derived from one of the provisions of the Bill of Rights, even with the Ninth Amendment, how is the Court to determine, first, that it is fundamental, and second, that it is protected from abridgment?


Thats a really easy test.....does it promote the liberty and general welfare of the people or diminish it, and was it viewed historically as a sphere in which the government traditionally could not intrude at the time of ratification.
If it is contrary to the promotion of liberty then it is not a fundamental right (the right to shoot people randomly without due process), if it diminishes the general welfare of the ratifiers (the people of the ratifying States)then it is not a fundamental right (covers goat fornicating I believe). If it was viewed at the time of ratification or through long historical precedent as an area that the government could not intrude upon then it is a 9th amendment right (the right to choose Coke over Pepsi, the "individual" right to keep and bear arms, the right to home school, but not the right to fornicate with goats on the front porch).
These are easy, common sense tests based on the long-standing traditions of our country as to what are and what are not God-given rights. The detractors complaints are misdirected towards the Constitution when they should be directed directly at those who misinterpret it. Their misinterpretations in response do not help.
6 posted on 9/8/02 10:08 AM Pacific by Arkinsaw
133 posted on 09/08/2002 8:35:33 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
That explanaition gives no one that disputes that "right" the "right" to dispute it.
134 posted on 09/08/2002 8:46:33 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: tpaine
Sacrifices of our Founding Fathers -
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a37e7c1773ae8.htm
135 posted on 09/08/2002 8:49:04 PM PDT by hosepipe
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To: Texasforever
Lay off the sauce, tex, and maybe in the morning you'll be able to 'get' it.
136 posted on 09/08/2002 9:05:35 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Lay off the sauce, tex, and maybe in the morning you'll be able to 'get' it.

So trying to discuss this with you means that I must be on the "sauce". Maybe you are right.

137 posted on 09/08/2002 9:14:03 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
I really twisted old Tpaines knickers this time didn’t I? It appears the thread has not developed as he intended.

He lurches from disaster from disaster.

138 posted on 09/08/2002 9:21:16 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Cultural Jihad
I think it was Bill Buckley who said: better to be governed by the first 100 names in the phone book than graduates of the Harvard Law School.
139 posted on 09/08/2002 9:27:41 PM PDT by breakem
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To: Texasforever
What is this, the good tex - bad tex act?
Yesterday I made your teeth itch, today you want a cozy chat?

You too crazy for me sucka. Take a hike.
140 posted on 09/08/2002 9:30:02 PM PDT by tpaine
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