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To: Tuor
First of all, don't put words in my mouth.

I thought you were calling for war on Iraq,and using Israel as a reason. If I am wrong,I apologize.

Second of all, I think we should break off all relations withChina: political, economic, military, etc. Maybe keep some sort of diplomatic presense so we can keep an eye on them, but that's it.

I surely can't argue with any of that.

I think China is the greatest threat to the US that there is, besides ourselves.

I have reluctantly came to the conclusion that our own politicians are now a bigger threat to us than the Chinese,and part of the danger the Chinese represent is because our own politicans are in bed with them. Bubba-1 gives/sells them military secrets and technology,and Bubba-2 has a uncle named Prescott who is in business with the fascist that now run China,and Bubba-2 granted China permanent most favored nation trade status. This is something even Bubba-1 wouldn't do.

It disgusts me how many people are ready to jump in bed with China because they make cheap junk that we can buy,

Hillary Clinton was on the board of directors of Wal-Mart,and Prescott Bush is the president of the Chinese/American Chamber of Commerce.

and promise to buy lots of cheap junk from us in return, M

I'm not aware they even made that promise.

all the while they increase their military and scientific capabilities.

Yup,hi-tech is what dey be buyin'. Things they can't produce for themselves.

What fools we've become.

But isn't Bubba-2 just DREAMY in his new sombrero? I bet he'd look good in a Mao jacket,too. Maybe his uncle will send him one?

Finally, I don't think Iraq is a threat to the US.

We agree on this. They MIGHT become a threat at some time in the future,but so could Canada.

If he becomes a true threat, then he and whomever supports him has to be made non-threatening by whatever means necessary.

Yup,but he's not there yet.

54 posted on 09/06/2002 10:36:16 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
I thought you were calling for war on Iraq,and using Israel as a reason. If I am wrong,I apologize.

I'm not calling for war at all. I was describing scenarios I might be inclined to support a war against Iraq.

Israel has long been a thorn in the side of my thought process. Most nations fit neatly into the various slots I have for how we do/should relate to them.

The reason Israel is such a problem has to do with the complex relationship we have with her, and it *is* complex. We have religious, military, political, economic, social, and God knows what other ties. The overriding consideration, of course, should be ensuring the protection and direct interests of our own country, but there can be some arguments that Israel qualifies, in at least some instances, as a direct interest of the US. I would call them 'important,' but not, of course, essential (except maybe if God takes offense to us not helping Israel, in which case we would be in Big Trouble.)

Realisticaly, there is just no way the US will ever let anything bad happen to Israel without going a long way to try to prevent it. On both political and social levels, any other approach is not tolerable: politically, it would be suicidal to stand by and let Israel come to harm. Socially it would create an enormous fervor. It's just not going to happen, and Israel will always be considered a vital interest of ours regardless of whether it actually is or not.

Tuor

56 posted on 09/06/2002 10:51:23 AM PDT by Tuor
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