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IS THIS PERSPECTIVE ACKNOWLEDGED IN THE US AT ALL?
The Guardian (UK) ^
| 5.09.02
| Mo Mowlam
Posted on 09/06/2002 12:58:15 AM PDT by bigfishnetholes
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To: bigfishnetholes
Mo Mowlam was a member of Tony Blair's cabinet from 1997-2001...If Mo Mowlam likes "pertinent questions", perhaps the most pertinent I can see at this moment is why he/she is no longer a member of Blair's cabinet?
the infowarrior
To: infowarrior
Followed by, why he/ she wears a full bodysuit, hat and shoes of tinfoil.
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09/06/2002 1:12:19 AM PDT
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nopardons
To: infowarrior
Mo Mowlam was pushed out of the cabinet mainly because she was proving to be more popular than Mr. Blair... She also suffered a bout of cancer which certainly had an adverse effect on her career.
To: nopardons
Perhaps the two questions are, as they say, somewhat remotely related?
the infowarrior
To: nopardons
Mo Mowlam is to the left of Tony Blair. She makes him look like a closet conservative. We could use more of them in the U.K and in Euroland but lets face it, Blair's as good as we're going to get over there. What's really needed now is to get the show on the road!!!
To: infowarrior
Yes, I think they are.
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09/06/2002 1:28:42 AM PDT
by
nopardons
To: goldstategop
I agree; on all accounts. :-)
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09/06/2002 1:29:29 AM PDT
by
nopardons
To: goldstategop
I agree, goldstategop... we definitely could use more people who are to the left of tony blair... you're not wrong there.
To: bigfishnetholes
I don't think that that was what he meant.
To: nopardons
I meant we could use more people like Tony Blair over there. Which speaks volumes about how estranged Euroland is from the U.S on the issue of defending freedom and Western civilization.
To: bigfishnetholes
Yes, but we dismiss it quickly. The US gets only 30-40% of its oil needs from the Middle East, principally from Saudi Arabia. Europe (excluding the UK) gets 98% of its oil from the Middle East. I think the more pertinent question might be why isn't Europe more concerned than it is?
If Ms. Mowlam wants there to be anger at the Saudi regime in the US, there is plenty. Both from the man in the street and from the administration. But Saudi Arabia has never taken Americans and Brits hostages and used them as human shields and shown them on TV like Saddam Hussein did. The Saudis have never fired missiles into Israel. I think we have chosen our interests there carefully and correctly.
To: bigfishnetholes
A newbie posting leftwing dribble, I am shocked I tell ya. Saddam is evil but poses no threat? Really. If Osama can do it from the caves in Afganastan, why can't Saddam?
To: goldstategop
And that is exactly the way I read your post ! Unfortunately, there are quite a few, around here, who need immediate classes in reading comprehension.
To: Always Right
Exactly. We underestimated Osama's ability to pull off a devastating surprise attack on the U.S without any inkling on our part of what he was up to. We dare not give Saddam the surprise opportunity to get in the first chance to incinerate New York and Washington, D.C. The time to act is now.
To: bigfishnetholes
I should also add that Saudi Arabia has never attacked a neighboring country to sieze its oil wealth and then when they were retreating in abject defeat set them ablaze to cripple the triumphant country.
To: Roy Tucker
certainly, the saudi administration has been well cultivated by the west (of course, when I mean west, I mean the USA)... I think something like 28 of the 30 man cabinet were educated at ivy league universities... that said, anti-american feeling amongst the Saudi people his extrodinarily high... and the old guard will not be able to retain power indefinitely...
i'm sure George W is well aware of what this will mean for US 'interests' (what a euphemistic word that is...) in the region...
hence the need for a USA friendly puppet leader in Iraq...
To: bigfishnetholes
Ms Mo should just accept the singular fact that the reason the US/British Position is so unpopular around the world is simply becasue we also propose an agenda completely at odds with all the unelected governments of the world, e.g., Democracy, Elections, Equality and Freedom. Should Iraq fall to the US and an elected government succeed in providing first elections and then equality in the land of the Arab/Islam/Koran, then all tenants of power would be at risk. The "information flow" in the world today is already increasing pressure on non-democracies (and it is hurting liberals in democracies as well).
Europe and the Western World would do well to understand that the entire social system (craddel to the grave government support in Europe) and our industrialized way of life is dependent on $14 a barrel oil to save us, just for now.... At $25 a barrel, oil will destroy Europe's social system and the free trade.
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09/06/2002 1:54:50 AM PDT
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Jumper
To: Roy Tucker
Good points. I was wondering why many Brits were coming out against this and then it hit me. When all is said and done in Iraq, there will be a massive rebuilding. The only people we will have to share contracts with will be those who supported us. Not so for England. The will have share with the rest of the EU nations that didn't lift a finger to help.
To: bigfishnetholes
..hence the need for a USA friendly puppet leader in Iraq... So, you're saying that there is no threat from Iraq, and this is all just a ploy on the part of President Bush to install a US friendly government?
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