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To: jlogajan
"America's greatness is because it is a SECULAR nation that does not interfere in the private practice of religions and has drawn a LINE between religion and state. America's greatness is because it is primarily an INDIVIDUALIST nation"

That would appear to be a succinct synopsis of humanism.
Viz., the individual is primary. Viz., the individual is his own best source of morals, values and ethics. Problem is, history clearly shows us this does not work. Every society that has embraced humanism has failed.

Take ancient Rome, as an example. The senate could not keep order. Armed gangs terrorized the city of Rome and the normal processes of government were disrupted as rivals fought for power. Thus, the Romans made Julius Caesar (100-44 B.C.) dictator for life, in the hope that the government of a single person would give them time to breathe after so many civil wars and calamities.

After Caesar's death, Octavian (63 B.C. - A.D. 14) later called Caesar Augustus, grandnephew of Caesar, came to power. Because Augustus established peace externally and internally and because he kept the outward forms of constitutionality, Romans of every class were ready to allow him total power in order to restore and assure the functioning of the political system, business, and the affairs of daily life.

After 12 B.C., Augustus became the head of the state religion, taking the title "Pontifex Maximus" and urging everyone to worship the "spirit of Rome and the genius of the emperor."

Later, it became mandatory for all the people of the Empire to worship the emperor as a god. This, in the hope that centralizing faith upon a single object (human), the people would be united.

Interesting sidebar: Christians were not persecuted because they worshipped Jesus Christ. They were persecuted because they would not worship the emporer.

Rome fell, because no human is sufficient to provide a moral or ethical base upon which a society can persevere.

This is a classic example of the inherent weakness of humanism. The French Revolutionaries discovered the very same thing.

No human can sustain a civilization, community, or even a family. Without moral absolutes larger than man, man has no compelling reason to obey.

Just because mommy and daddy say a thing is not enough to sustain junior when he is on his own. He needs a higher, more compelling purpose: faith in God.

Reliance upon human wisdom as the sole source of direction completely ignores history and is doomed to fail.

That is why America is collapsing.
55 posted on 09/06/2002 1:52:25 PM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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To: hoosierskypilot
That is why America is collapsing.

To reverse America's collapse, which version of Christianity would you recommend?

Why would your particular recommended version be most effective, in reversing the collapse of America?

American Indians might argue the collapse of America started, when Christian Europeans brought new diseases.

Some might argue with your claim that America is collapsing. The country and its people are probably among the most humane, towards others, in world history.

What instructions can be found in the New Testament, concerning "the state?" Would that not be the supreme source, and not the American Constitution (a document of mere mortal, fallible men)?

134 posted on 09/09/2002 3:20:53 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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