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We LOST in Basketball to Argentina Tonight !?!
ESPN ^ | September 4, 2002 | AP

Posted on 09/04/2002 8:27:52 PM PDT by Norman Arbuthnot

NBA-powered U.S. team finally falls ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Associated Press INDIANAPOLIS -- Argentina pulled off a victory that until recently was believed to be nearly impossible, defeating the United States 87-80 on Wednesday night at the men's basketball World Championships.

It was the first loss ever for a U.S. team in 59 games since the Americans began sending NBA players to international tournaments in 1992.

Argentina's victory was shocking in and of itself, but what made it even more incredible was the manner in which they accomplished it. The United States never led in the game, trailed by as many as 20 and couldn't mount an adequate comeback down the stretch.

The Argentine players leaped and hugged each other as the final buzzer sounded, while the American players stuck around and congratulated them. The Argentines then formed a tight huddle for several seconds before emerging with their hands raised to salute a small but vocal contingent of their fans in the lower seats at Conseco Fieldhouse.

The defeat did not knock the U.S. team out of the tournament, it merely gave them a lower seed for the medal round. There is a chance the teams can meet again before the tournament ends.

"It's not the medal round, and we'll be back to win the gold,'' defiant guard Baron Davis said.

This U.S. team had said it wanted to keep the unbeaten streak intact, but it also knew that the competition from around the world was not as weak as it once was. Like the U.S. team, Argentina won its first five games at the World Championships to set up a meeting of the only two nations with unblemished records.

Now, there's only one team with a perfect record.

It's Argentina.

"They were a lot better than we thought,'' Davis said. "They were just beating us every which way.''

U.S. teams had two close calls in the past two years, defeating Lithuania by just two points at the 2000 Olympics and needing overtime to beat Brazil at the Goodwill Games in 2001.

Many of the best American players declined to participate in this tournament, and this version of Team USA looked quite vulnerable over the past week -- especially against nations that now have their own NBA players.

"We are human beings and we dream. To say we were going to beat them, I did not know. I knew we had one of the best chances,'' Argentina guard Pepe Sanchez said. "We came to play, we came to compete. As the game unfolded, we said 'Wow, we could really do this.' ''

The first sign that emotions were high came less than four minutes into the game, when Paul Pierce was knocked down by Hugo Sconochini and then stuck his leg out in a deliberate attempt to trip him.

Pierce continued to go after Sconochini and was whistled for two holding fouls in the span of one second. That deprived the U.S. team of its most consistent offensive player, and they did not make a field goal for the next five minutes.

The emotional outbursts from the U.S. team kept coming.

Jermaine O'Neal picked up a flagrant foul late in the first quarter for shoving Scola to the ground after Scola rejected his dunk attempt, and the U.S. coaching staff ran onto the court at the end of the quarter to complain when Reggie Miller didn't get a call.

The frustration continued in the second quarter, when the Americans had trouble getting off decent shots. Argentina, on the other hand, used its crisp passing to repeatedly find players open under the basket for layups and dunks.

Andres Nocioni, who had a memorable dunk over Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan at the 1999 Olympic qualifier, unleashed another impressive jam over Ben Wallace early in the second quarter. He then stole the ensuing inbounds pass at midcourt and made two foul shots for a 41-23 lead.

A driving layup by Emanuel Ginobili gave Argentina a 52-32 lead with 1:14 left in the half.

"They have better talent, they have better training, but I think we played better today. You gotta believe,'' forward Luis Scola said.

Third-quarter rallies had become the U.S. team's forte in the first five games of this tournament, but this one took some time to commence.

The Americans got their deifcit down to a dozen early in the third on a 3-pointer by Pierce, but their offensive troubles wouldn't go away. After Ruben Wolkowyski hit a 3-pointer from the corner to make it 62-47, Andre Miller sped into the lane and got inside for a layup that rolled in and out.

Pierce hit a 3-pointer to cut the deficit to 64-57, sparking the first chant of "U-S-A'' heard during the entire tournament. But the Argentine fans were back on their feet at the end of the quarter after Ginobili scored on a drive for a 68-60 lead entering the fourth.

The final period began after a brief chanting duel between the fans of the two countries, but the Amerian fans fell silent -- aside from their gasps -- as Argentina twice got open for layups off inbounds passes with the shot clock about to expire.

A 24-second violation and a turnover by the U.S. were answered by a pair of daring driving layups by Ginobili and Sconochini, upping the lead to 76-63 with 5:55 left.

O'Neal was incredulous when he was called for a loose ball foul with 4:23 left, and the American players had blank looks on their faces as they shuffled back to the bench during a timeout.

Baron Davis scored inside and then dunked (and hung onto the rim, showing off) off an Argentina turnover to make it 80-71 with 2:28 left. Another turnover was followed by four consecutive misses by the U.S. team -- two of them from right underneath the basket.

A charging foul against Michael Finley ended the next U.S. possession, and a blocking foul on Davis led to a pair of foul shots by Nocioni for an 83-73 lead with 1:10 left.

A missed foul shot by Miller, an off-target 3 by Davis and a turnover and foul by Pierce comprised the next three U.S. possessions.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: basketball
Normally, I would not post a sports story, but this a historic loss. Well, the talent gap between US and the rest of the world is definitely shrinking. That said, I wouldn't want to be on team that our guys play next.
1 posted on 09/04/2002 8:27:52 PM PDT by Norman Arbuthnot
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To: Norman Arbuthnot
Then again, I kinda don't mind seeing the NBA player's egos deflated a bit - humility in any occupation, even sports players, isn't such a bad thing.
2 posted on 09/04/2002 8:32:55 PM PDT by egarvue
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To: Norman Arbuthnot
I remember the jerky behavior of our Olympic Dream Teams, and frankly, I'm glad to see the NBAers get their heads handed to 'em.
3 posted on 09/04/2002 8:38:16 PM PDT by ArcLight
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To: Norman Arbuthnot
The world is catching up in terms of raw talent and quite frankly they are probably playing a better version of team basketball than U.S. players are now playing.
4 posted on 09/04/2002 8:47:48 PM PDT by PMCarey
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To: Norman Arbuthnot
The U.S. team thought they could turn it on and off at will. Tonight the switch got stuck.
5 posted on 09/04/2002 8:52:18 PM PDT by Russell Scott
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To: PMCarey
Were they all on crack ? Need some white guys on that team !
6 posted on 09/04/2002 8:53:40 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: Norman Arbuthnot
So much for the NBrapperA.
7 posted on 09/04/2002 8:55:17 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Norman Arbuthnot
Good for the Argentines...they've had a rough go of it lately.
8 posted on 09/04/2002 8:57:39 PM PDT by Sangamon Kid
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To: Sangamon Kid
Last Tango in Indianapolis?
9 posted on 09/04/2002 8:59:36 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: ArcLight
I agree. Send the pros home.
10 posted on 09/04/2002 9:04:13 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: Norman Arbuthnot
Ha ha ha ha ha!!! I'm glad to see our overpaid crybabies lose to the upstart Argies. That's OK, at least we did better than they did in the World Cup, that's what matters.
11 posted on 09/04/2002 9:17:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: sushiman
Need some white guys on that team !

Isn't it amazing that a country of 30 million folks can field a team which is predominantly white, while the U.S., a country of 260 million folks, predominantly white, can't find one guy who can play basketball. The Argentinians played team basketball, we played one-on-one basketball. We lost.

12 posted on 09/04/2002 9:19:09 PM PDT by hangin' chad
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To: hangin' chad
Oh well, at least we don't have 1000 percent inflation like they do.
13 posted on 09/04/2002 11:15:17 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Norman Arbuthnot
That's not exactly true. If you had the best NBA players out there, Kobe, Shaq, etc., it would be no contest. Problem is the US team plays street ball, and other countries play as a team and in many cases the same team of guys have been playing together for years.

Its amazing how few US basketball players today can consistently hit a 15 foot jump shot. Fundementals need to come back to US basketball.
14 posted on 09/05/2002 8:50:23 AM PDT by caa26
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To: caa26
What's not true? That the talent gap between the U.S. and the rest of the world is narrowing? Well, I don't think even most U.S. players and coaches would deny that.

Look, at one time we were to be able to win the Olympics with our best college players. That is no longer possible. Now, we need our pro players, and they need to prepare for foreign competition, or you get the kind of result we had last night. Sure, if we play our *best* NBA players, Shaq, Kobe, Iverson, etc., we will win, but the fact that we would have to play *them* proves that the world is catching up. Now, foreign players, such as Dirk Nowitski, Steve Nash and Predrag Stojakovic are among the top 20 players in the NBA. How many foreign players were in the NBA 20 years ago? And how many were All-Star material?

BTW, I don't think that this increased competition is a bad development at all, it's great for the game. I still want the U.S. win, but I'm glad that our teams will have to play hard to earn their victories.

15 posted on 09/05/2002 10:58:11 AM PDT by Norman Arbuthnot
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To: Norman Arbuthnot
That said, I wouldn't want to be on team that our guys play next.

:)

16 posted on 09/06/2002 12:20:45 PM PDT by Grizzly Adams
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To: Norman Arbuthnot
Obviously,Yugoslavs didn`t read yor post!
17 posted on 09/08/2002 2:34:52 PM PDT by branicap
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