[HaveGunWillTravel]

Lincoln did totally outrageous stuff. He may have freed the blacks, but he tyrannized everyone. Threw congressmen in jail, shut down the press, etc. Blacks may have won, but free men lost. While the declaration of independance says that men derive their rights from their creator, under Lincoln's amended constitution, blacks now derive their rights from the government. They have simply changed masters. This is the present.

As far as Ashcroft is concerned, the reason the Dems aren't crying very loud about shredding the bill of rights is that they have wanted it shredded for a while. It was the dems against the civil rights act and it was the dems against emancipation. I don't think they have a big problem with camps.

[rdb3]

Blacks may have won, but free men lost.

Maybe free men wouldn't have lost if enslaved men were free as well. So I'm sure you'll understand that I'm less than sympathetic. Besides, Lincoln didn't really free anyone for what it's worth and the fight wasn't over slavery.

At any rate, it's 2002. That's Two Thousand and Two. The 21st Century. I like it here. I don't want to go back to the 19th Century.

So, can we stay here in the present, please?

[mhking]

While the declaration of independance says that men derive their rights from their creator, under Lincoln's amended constitution, blacks now derive their rights from the government. They have simply changed masters. This is the present.

Let's try that again - blacks did not fall under the thrall of the government until years later. You can thank Roosevelt and later Johnson for that. The New Deal and The New Society are what gave blacks the impression that rights came from the government. Lincoln had nothing to do with that.

You may have a problem with Lincoln - he was no saint - but he's not guilty of everything you point toward.

[dcwusmc]

Good post and quite true. Trouble is, who's listening? You preach to the choir... at least until they call YOU an enemy combatant. I mean, you talk agin the gubmint and just LOOK at your screenname: haveGUNwilltravel... HORRIBLE beyond belief!