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To: Ditto
I swear some of you guys see the CSA as some sort of heaven on earth when it was nothing but a damn feudal kingdom masquerading as a democracy.

And I swear some of you guys see the USA as some sort of great republic when by lincoln's very actions he had destroyed the Republic and established what amounted to a four year totalitarian state. And what's left is a Socialist Democratic Empire, nothing more. The Republic is dead and has been for 141 years

29 posted on 09/04/2002 10:45:45 AM PDT by billbears
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To: billbears; Ditto
If Ditto concedes that Lincoln's action destroyed the Republic and set up a 4 year totalitarian state will you concede that the CSA was a damn feudal kingdom masquerading as a democracy.

Just want to know. . .
32 posted on 09/04/2002 11:00:21 AM PDT by dpa5923
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To: billbears
And I swear some of you guys see the USA as some sort of great republic when by lincoln's very actions he had destroyed the Republic and established what amounted to a four year totalitarian state.

1. How did Lincoln "destroy the Republic"? What is the evidence of that? Aside from the "right" to own slaves, what rights did Americans not have after the war that they had before? Name just one.

2. How can you call a nation that held regular elections, including a hotly contested presidential election, in the midst of its greatest crisis in history, a toleration state?

In the North, one could have anti-war views, have anti-government views, express those views in public, and still be on the ballot and in many cases be elected. The antiwar northern democrats gained seats in the 1862 election. The anti-war democrats were odds on favorites to win the presidency in 1864 until Union success on the battlefield restored Lincoln's popularity while McClellend refused to tow the Democrat party line of immediate peace with the slavers.

How were pro-Union citizens treated in the south? Could they express their views in public? Were they free to run for office? Were they free to criticize their leaders? You know damn well they weren't. Even before the war, could abolitionists preach in the South? Could they freely criticize slavery or slave owners? Could they criticize the slave codes? Did they have first amendment rights there? You know damn well they didn't! It was against the law to even mention abolition in the south. In 1859, Jeff Davis went to Boston and delivered a speech arguing for the expansion of slavery to the west. He had no fear for his life going there. Could Lincoln have gone to Charleston in 1859 and argued for free soil and have lived to tell about it? You know damn well he couldn’t have.

What section was totalitarian?

35 posted on 09/04/2002 11:45:12 AM PDT by Ditto
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