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To: knighthawk
look, this is not about a religious debate. i have spoken many times and you guys keep comingf back with more stuff cut-and-pasted from anti-Islamic websites. This is where i draw the line. I will not respond to anymore of your hatemongering. I am not here to give Da'wah. I am here because I am a conservative Muslim, and I want to offer a new perspective on things.
You guys can be as anti-Islamic as you want and you can bash all you want, but the fact remains that as of the year 2000, there were an estimated 1,902,095,000 Muslims worldwide. You are going to have to deal with us one way or the other. If you want to be informed, I will help. If you want to remain ignorant, that is your choice.
96 posted on 09/05/2002 6:38:49 PM PDT by Sharif
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To: Sharif; Quix; swarthyguy
I do not cut and past from anti-islamic sites. The quotes are from an online koran and hadith (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/). The backgrounds to the suras are from the same site, which refers to things as the Battle of Badr. The translation is by Yusuf Ali, and I checked wether they are talking about kuffar or munafiq so I don't use verses where the English translation refers to 'unbelievers' as 'hyprocrites', but to non-muslims.

You are the one who started to resond with the koran and hadith. You try to show how wrong people where on islam, but you prefer to aviod the things I come up with. Why?

The thing is you cannot deny or distort the things mohammed said and done during his Medina periond:

Ka`b bin al-Ashraf was a Jewish man who denied mohammed was a real prophet. Mohammed asked his followers to kill him, because he did speak up against mohammed and his ways:

Sahih Burkhari, book 59, volume 5, number 369
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it."

I know that mohammed murdered or exile three Jewish tribes around Medina.

Sahih Bukrahi, volume 5, book 59, number 362:
Narrated Ibn Umar:
Bani An-Nadir and Bani Quraiza fought (against the Prophet violating their peace treaty), so the Prophet exiled Bani An-Nadir and allowed Bani Quraiza to remain at their places (in Medina) taking nothing from them till they fought against the Prophet again) . He then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims, but some of them came to the Prophet and he granted them safety, and they embraced Islam. He exiled all the Jews from Medina. They were the Jews of Bani Qainuqa', the tribe of 'Abdullah bin Salam and the Jews of Bani Haritha and all the other Jews of Medina.

I know what 'Sahih' means. I know what sura 8:67 means:

It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land. Ye look for the temporal goods of this world; but Allah looketh to the Hereafter: And Allah is Exalted in might, Wise.

This is no defensive warfare. This is war to establish islam.

Sahih Bukhari, volume 4, book 53, number 392:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

The hatemongering was done by mohammed, in the name of allah. It's hard to deny such evidence, is it?

115 posted on 09/06/2002 12:08:32 AM PDT by knighthawk
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