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THE FREE REPUBLIC WELCOMES THE MERRY PRANKSTERS!!! (9-09 Book Discussion Thread)
Self | September 2, 2002 | PJ-Comix

Posted on 09/02/2002 7:29:14 PM PDT by PJ-Comix

Okay, I tried to track down some of the Merry Pranksters mentioned in “The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test” so that they might participate in our discussion on this book on September 9. However, I have been unable to contact any of them so in the spirit of the Merry Pranksters, who in 1965 hung a banner in front of Ken Kesey’s La Honda home that said “THE MERRY PRANKSTERS WELCOME THE BEATLES,” I am now hanging this virtual banner in Cyberspace---“THE FREE REPUBLIC WELCOMES THE MERRY PRANKSTERS.”

Hopefully this message will carry across the Cyberspace ether and reach Mountain Girl, Ken Babbs, Gretchen Fetchen, Owsley, The Hermit, George Walker, Hugh Romney, Norman Hartweg, Hagen, Doris Delay, Zonker, Black Maria, etc..

I will also be sending this thread to Tom Wolfe’s publishers. They told me that he usually doesn’t do such events but, hey, there’s an EXCEPTION to every rule.

If any of you happen to know the Merry Pranksters or know someone who knows the Merry Pranksters, please pass this thread along to them. Hopefully on September 9 (or soon afterwards) we can WELCOME THE MERRY PRANKSTERS!!!

Oh, and on October 14 our next book assignment is due. It will be a big change of pace---“Homage To Catalonia” by George Orwell.


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To: PJ-Comix
I don't think he was a Prankster, but John Perry Barlow, lyricist who worked extensively with Bob Weir, is a leader in the Electronic Frontier Foundation - Libertarian watchdog group working to preserve our online freedoms.

Anyone know how Barlow got hooked up with the Grateful Dead scene?
41 posted on 09/03/2002 1:47:36 PM PDT by Diverdogz
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To: PoisedWoman
I don't know what bothers me more, the wasted lives or the incorporation of these counterfiet values in to the mainstream of American life.

The latter is certainly what has harmed us most. Now youngsters don't even need to take drigs to get the mindset because they are taught it as the norm.

42 posted on 09/03/2002 1:48:07 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: PJ-Comix
Buncha damn, dope-smoking hippies. FR doesn't need this crap. What's your point with all this?

I read Electric Kool-Aid and other such books - Fear and Loathing, On the Road, all that stupid hippie crap when I was a dope-smoking, greenpeace, tree-huggin', pro-choice, nuclear freeze supporting registered Democrat liberal idiot. I threw all that crap away when I saw the error of my ways and the misguided idealogy that was ruining my life and destroying our nation. Why ever would a conservative be promoting such garbage?

43 posted on 09/03/2002 1:59:48 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: Spiff
I don't think PJ is necessarily "promoting" the lifestyle of the Pranksters any more than a book discussion on "Mein Kampf" would be promoting Nazism. I think we are able to have a mature and intellectual discussion on what went down during the 1960s without having to endorse what went on.

BTW, I am just a few chapters away from completing the book. A very "interesting" read and I look forward to the discussion. The Tom Wolfe book doesn't "glorify" the Pranksters at all, in my opinion. I'm even less likely to ever want to trip on LSD after reading it.

44 posted on 09/03/2002 2:29:43 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: tallhappy
" By the time Jack met the Pranksters , he was strictly on booze "

>No. He'd tripped with Leary just the same time period.

He tripped in 1961 , and met Kesey and the Pranksters in late 1964 , by which time he had no interest in LSD or any other drugs .

Thanks for the reply !

45 posted on 09/03/2002 3:08:21 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: sushiman
You are welcome for the reply, but you are wrong according to the myriad bios of him
46 posted on 09/03/2002 3:19:21 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: weegee
Videos of Kesey's films are being released, I wonder how much (if any) of that material Tom Wolfe viewed while he was writing the book.

Do you know where those videos will be made available? I think such videos would make for an interesting documentary on the History Channel.

47 posted on 09/03/2002 5:28:26 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: tallhappy
I still don't know why you'd want to do this.

Because I find the HISTORY of how the counterculture started to be INTERESTING. You might not like that History but it exists nevertheless.

I came to FR to get away from this sort of hippy dippy liberal claptrap that is the establishment where I come from.

Did you READ "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test?" It was written by Tom Wolfe. Hardly a wild-eyed liberal. If you actually READ the book then you are qualified to grumble. Otherwise you are hereby sentenced to spend the time we discuss this book inside the Troll Cave.

48 posted on 09/03/2002 5:33:04 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: tallhappy
What do you think about the whole thing now?

Did you READ the book? If not then I'm NOT discussing with you a book you haven't read.

49 posted on 09/03/2002 5:36:17 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PoisedWoman
And I've seen the dreadful waste of humanity that drugs cause. Some of those pretty young men playing guitars on streetcorners in the '60s are still playing those guitars, totally wasted, ugly, unhealthy, and without a purpose to their lives. Sad. Stupid.

I saw one of those unreconstructed hippies at Florida International University a few months ago. Sandals, beret, the whole bit. He was in the student center with a pile of leaflets protesting the war on terrorism. He was both a sad and HILARIOUS sight to behold. Oh, and only ONE person picked up a leaflet from him the whole two hours he was at his table---ME! I was curious as to what it said.... And he was wearing a Green Party T-Shirt. It seems a lot of Greens are former hippies.

50 posted on 09/03/2002 5:41:24 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: RightWhale
"But then they danced down the street like dingledodies, and I shambled after as I've been doing all my life after people who interest me, because the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes 'Awww!' "

Jack Kerouac, On the Road

51 posted on 09/03/2002 5:41:42 PM PDT by maxwell
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To: Spiff
I read Electric Kool-Aid and other such books - Fear and Loathing, On the Road, all that stupid hippie crap when I was a dope-smoking, greenpeace, tree-huggin', pro-choice, nuclear freeze supporting registered Democrat liberal idiot. I threw all that crap away when I saw the error of my ways and the misguided idealogy that was ruining my life and destroying our nation. Why ever would a conservative be promoting such garbage?

Maybe you should RE-READ "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test." First of all it was written by TOM WOLFE---Hardly a wild-eyed liberal. Also, although the book is humorous throughout, it is hardly a glorification of the drug scene. Maybe a lot of the subtlety slipped by you.

52 posted on 09/03/2002 5:45:35 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
I thought AOL-Warner-Time-Life Books has all the 60's glorification covered, and the market is already saturated.
53 posted on 09/03/2002 5:48:31 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: SamAdams76
I'm even less likely to ever want to trip on LSD after reading it.

A friend of mine, the Purple-Haired Lady (well-known in South Florida) saw me reading this book a week ago. She asked me if I ever dropped acid and when I replied in the negative, she told me about her one and only LSD trip. She said she thought she was dead for 3 days. Also she said it was a terrible experience for her but she did have some interesting comments about it. One thing is that she could actually see things in other dimensions and came out of the experience believing in the afterlife. However, she did warn me never to drop acid. Then when I asked her some more questions she got pissed off at me bigtime and said it was such a horrible experience that she didn't want to talk about it any more. However, she definitely did want to read the book.

54 posted on 09/03/2002 5:50:55 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: maxwell
There is something distinctive about Kerouac's style on those days when he was making metaphorical connections left and right like a bebop saxophone metamorphosing a common melody into a creation of new and unusual crystal perfection one time never to be repeated nor recorded nor ever heard again on earth, extending the statement on and on, building level upon level of sophistication for it seems like eternity, then suddenly falling silent.
55 posted on 09/03/2002 5:52:45 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: SamAdams76
I think we are able to have a mature and intellectual discussion on what went down during the 1960s without having to endorse what went on.

True. Sometimes you have to wait a bunch of years in order to have a rational discussion about historical events. Over a century ago, Gold vs Silver standard was a HUGE issue because of the passions it raised on both sides and it was hard for folks to discuss it rationally until years later. Hopefully enough time has passed since the hippie era where we can have a rational discussion about that too. And, hey, some really kewl looking poster art came about in that era.

56 posted on 09/03/2002 5:54:49 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: tallhappy
You are welcome for the reply, but you are wrong according to the myriad bios of him

Actually Kerouac became quite conservative in his later years. He was a big reader of the National Review and was a fan of Bill Buckley.

57 posted on 09/03/2002 5:56:44 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Cultural Jihad
I thought AOL-Warner-Time-Life Books has all the 60's glorification covered, and the market is already saturated.

The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test is easily the BEST book about the Counter-Culture. There was another book called The Greening Of America that just didn't stand the test of time.

58 posted on 09/03/2002 5:59:24 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: SamAdams76; Spiff
Yeah, and as a gen-X-er, I don't see much glory in Fear either...

"This was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling "consciousness expansion" without ever giving a thought to the grim meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the people who took him too seriously... All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy Peace and Understanding for three bucks a hit. But their loss and failure is ours, too. What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped to create... a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody-- or at least some force-- is tending that Light at the end of the tunnel."
Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

Haven't read Electric yet, but looking forward to it. Slogged through On the Road, loved Fear (the movie was outstanding, and IMO, had the only decent role Johnny Depp ever played), even hacked through Naked Lunch and part of Ah Pook before I wearied of Burroughs' overweeningly scatophilic brainrot...

I guess to hit all the bases I should get around to Ginsberg at some point or 'nother, but can't bring myself to it...

59 posted on 09/03/2002 6:00:11 PM PDT by maxwell
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To: RightWhale
Bwahaha...

Well better him than me. I got better things to do than knock around looking for a chick to take me home, do me and feed me. I guess I ain't the romantic type, huh.

It's been a few years since I read that thing and frankly I don't recommember much of it... I much prefer Thompson's style in Fear-- never could get into any of his other stuff. Maybe it's because it chapped my Republican a$$ too much. Hmmmmm.

60 posted on 09/03/2002 6:04:44 PM PDT by maxwell
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