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Ancient Illinois Village Unearths Lode Of Questions
University Of Illinois ^ | 9-02-2002 | Andrea Lynn

Posted on 09/02/2002 4:23:13 PM PDT by blam

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To: sphinx
These are just a short way down (south) the road from me:

Dauphin Island Shell Mounds

21 posted on 09/02/2002 6:48:51 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
IIRC Norse remains have been found far from the Atlantic.

From one of my favorite articles in The Atlantic Monthly, The Diffusionists Have Landed:

The Norwegian archaeologists Helge and Anne Stine Ingstad's famous identification, in 1961, of a Viking settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows, Newfoundland, from just after A.D. 1000 is, of course, a notable exception, no longer in dispute. But that discovery has so far gone nowhere. The Norse settlers, who may have numbered as many as 160 and stayed for three years or longer, seem to have made no lasting impression on the aboriginal skraellings that, according to Norse sagas, they encountered, and to have avoided being influenced in turn. The traditions of the Micmac people, modern-day inhabitants of the area, have not been seriously investigated; another people historically associated with this area, the reputedly fair-skinned Beothuks, have been extinct since 1829. The Vikings came, kept to themselves, and left -- that appears to be as much revision of the long-standing history of New World settlement as the hard-core academic establishment will entertain.

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To many, the inventionists have clearly gained the upper hand, having marshaled shards, spearpoints, and other relics that indicate the independent cultural development of a native people whose Ice Age ancestors came overland from Northeast Asia. Still, the diffusionists have a habit of raising awkward questions -- questions that even some mainstream scholars find hard to ignore, much less to explain away. Who carved Phoenician-era Iberian script into a stone found at Grave Creek, West Virginia? How did a large stone block incised with medieval Norse runes make its way to Kensington, Minnesota? Why would a rough version of the Ten Commandments appear in Old Hebrew script on a boulder-sized tablet near Los Lunas, New Mexico? Conversely, how could the sweet potato, known to be indigenous to the Americas, have become a food staple throughout Polynesia and the Pacific basin as early as A.D. 400? And why would dozens of eleventh- to thirteenth-century temple sculptures in Karnataka, India, include depictions of what appears to be American maize?

I love is when random data from totally unrelated sources play hell with any conventional whizdumb.
22 posted on 09/02/2002 7:03:54 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: blam
the four giant temples

Why are these large buildings always considered as temples? Especially when we know zero about their daily life.

23 posted on 09/02/2002 7:17:36 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Thebaddog
Hilltop in Illinois?

Ain't no way...I remember the locals telling me that if a dog shat, and then it snowed, everyone broke out their cross country skies.

24 posted on 09/02/2002 7:20:16 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: Carry_Okie
LOL.... Us diffusionists and especially we catastrophists have to fight for a place at the table.
25 posted on 09/02/2002 7:28:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: RightWhale
"Why are these large buildings always considered as temples? Especially when we know zero about their daily life."

Hey fella, don't rock the boat or your grant money will be pulled.

26 posted on 09/02/2002 7:31:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: Carry_Okie
did a large stone block incised with medieval Norse runes make its way to
Kensington, Minnesota?


Hey, don't leave out The Heavener (sp?) Runestone in Oklahoma!

I don't know it's ever been shown conclusively if it is the real deal or some
collegiate prank...
27 posted on 09/02/2002 7:34:28 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA
The Mystery Of The Heaverner Runestone

I am a fan of Gloria Farley.

28 posted on 09/02/2002 7:44:39 PM PDT by blam
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To: El Sordo

29 posted on 09/02/2002 7:44:53 PM PDT by keithtoo
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To: blam
In Manchester, Tennessee there is an interesting site that the indians built with stone and dirt. You would have to take a tour to get an idea of just how strong and easy to defend this structrue was.

Old Stone Fort

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30 posted on 09/02/2002 7:48:54 PM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: blam
I didn't know Illinois existed back then.
31 posted on 09/02/2002 7:59:45 PM PDT by mtg
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To: blam
There's always Art Bell's guest list. IIRC, he's had this guy on that claims there is a cave in Illinois (or is it
Indiana?) that was formerly stuffed with archealogical treasures from a completely different era.

And wouldn't you know it, but it was looted in the past 20 years or so, AND someone DYNAMITED the entrance to keep
such adventurers as himself from finding that the treasure trove has been looted and melted down.

32 posted on 09/02/2002 8:23:45 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke
"And wouldn't you know it, but it was looted in the past 20 years or so, AND someone DYNAMITED the entrance to keep such adventurers as himself from finding that the treasure trove has been looted and melted down."

I think I've seen this story on one of the documentary channels.

33 posted on 09/02/2002 8:27:25 PM PDT by blam
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To: VOA
When I was in grade school in the 40's in Tulsa, we were taught conclusively that the Vikings had been in the area and that there were various stones with writing on them.
34 posted on 09/02/2002 9:06:10 PM PDT by JudyB1938
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To: blam
Beyond a certain point, it becomes easier to explain various geographic migrations or visitations by alternative "unidentified" means...

(Also, posthole interpretations are in the eye of the beholder :-).

35 posted on 09/02/2002 10:14:41 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: blam
So, Cahokia is just a moment, an experiment in civilization, that falters and goes away and never really comes back."

It came back as St. Louis. :^)

I live in this latitude of Illinois, there is a huge hill within about 15 miles of me that is said to be of the Indians. Plus Burrows Cave is within about 20 miles in the other direction, although the artifacts from that cave seem to be from thousands of years ago instead of from Cahokia's accepted era. Maybe there was a major Indian thouroughfare along the approximate route of Route 40 and Interstate 70. I'll have to keep my eyes open for anomalies when I'm out mushroom hunting. :^)

36 posted on 09/03/2002 10:22:39 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Calvin Locke
There's always Art Bell's guest list. IIRC, he's had this guy on that claims there is a cave in Illinois (or is it Indiana?) that was formerly stuffed with archealogical treasures from a completely different era.

If it's Burrow's Cave, it hasn't been dynamited. The artifacts from it are from ancient India, like 4000 - 5000 years ago, I think. There were 20,000 artifacts, too many to be carved by pranksters.

37 posted on 09/03/2002 10:29:31 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Sabertooth
You may appreciate this article.
38 posted on 09/03/2002 11:31:47 PM PDT by doglot
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To: #3Fan
Probably a different cave. This guy was whining about damage that "only could have been done" by dynamite.

And he "knows" that it must have been the looters...

39 posted on 09/03/2002 11:46:09 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke
Probably a different cave. This guy was whining about damage that "only could have been done" by dynamite. And he "knows" that it must have been the looters...

I've heard that academia used their ties to Clinton to have the Federal Government destroy evidence. Was Kennewick Man's finding place destroyed, I heard it was? Also, a place in the Southwest was destroyed when it was found to be thousands of years old and had a type of ceramic engineering skill as yet unknown to us. Academia accuses Christians of denying science, but I believe lately they're denying much more science than the short-sighted Christians they like to ridicule. Academia certainly has their sacred cows. They are hypocrits.

40 posted on 09/04/2002 12:13:22 AM PDT by #3Fan
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