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To: 2sheep
I have been following Tim Snodgrass' predictions for the last few months. He seems to have a vision about earthquakes quite often, then another a few days later that shows how to prevent the first earthquake. This is pretty slick, because then it becomes a win-win situation. I'm not dismissing Snodgrass out of hand, but just once I'd like to see him give an unambiguous prediction.

If I sent out 5,000 letters to prospective clients, 2,500 of them predicting the stock market will go up, and 2,500 that the stock market will go down; then if the market went up, sent another letter to the ones I was correct on, 1,250 saying up, and 1,250 saying down. After 7 straight predictions, I would have 12 people that thought I was the greatest stock market predictor since Warren Buffet. (work out the math yourself).

Sorry, but Snodgrass is not a good earthquake predictor.
84 posted on 09/04/2002 5:34:24 AM PDT by Lokibob
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To: Lokibob; Thinkin' Gal; Prodigal Daughter; ex-Texan; Jeremiah Jr; happygrl; bearsgirl90; ...
I appreciate your concerns regarding Tim Snodgrass.  You have known of him longer as I just ran across him a couple of months ago.  His dream/vision could be true and his interpretation skewed.  Among modern day prophets it is likely that the false outnumber the true by at least 450 to 1.  A few things which are observable about prophetic websites are these: We know that people of every ilk, including non-Christian, are having dreams and visions consistent with scripture.  They are part of the "all flesh" of Joel 2:  I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh...  Because the Holy Spirit is showing them these things, we should take heed to their dreams, instead of listening to every Tim (Lahaye or Snodgrass), Dave and Hal out there.  We should look at the whole picture of dreams and visions and include in the geological evidence too.

Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

Yeshua (Jesus) outlined the principle in the parable of the man who had a great supper and invited many to come:

Lu 14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.
16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:
17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

They all made excuses why they could not come to the L~rd's supper.  They "lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation." To "despise" means to "not esteem highly enough."  We are to hold the L~rd as first in our affections and lives.  Deut 32:15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
Lu 14:21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.
22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.
23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

Re 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Many who think they are going to heaven have been called to the supper but they have not made themselves ready, so the Holy Spirit has called to those in the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind ...to compel them to come.

There are many Christians-in-name-only that are on the broad way to destruction, and there are people who never darken the door of the Church and the L~rd is giving them dreams and visions and showing them wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke and also mushroom clouds, missiles inbound, oriental troops killing people, jets straffing American cities.  He is saying to them, "Come to me.  Come now.  Time is short.  Seek Me!  Don't follow after men."  Those who are truly His will do so.  The L~rd Jesus Christ is Yeshua Ha Mashiach, the saviour of all who will receive Him and walk in obedience.  He has been putting in personal appearances to people and like Moses said to the Children of Israel, "Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me."

Ex 32:26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.
27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

110 posted on 09/04/2002 6:15:58 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: Lokibob; Sabertooth; Thinkin' Gal; Prodigal Daughter; ex-Texan; Jeremiah Jr; happygrl; ...
Here is freeper Sabertooth's dream.  Sabertooth is not an unbeliever.  After this dream he is undoubtedly more of a believer.
[Ital. text by Tim Snodgrass] On November 20, 2001, I was given a detailed prophetic vision of another series of quakes which will soon shake the United States Midwest. The coming quakes will exceed the magnitudes of the previous New Madrid quakes of 1811 - 1812, and will result in significant earth changes along several areas of the Central United States.

In Arkansas and Missouri, the earth changes that began 191 years ago during the New Madrid quakes will reach maturation. Along the New Madrid fault line and several other fault lines which wind there way up to the Great Lakes, there will be a sudden drop of elevation.

The size of the Great Lakes will decrease, as water drains into the newly formed rift and cascades southward into the Gulf of Mexico.  Within less than a day, a new gulf will appear in the United States. North America will be literally divided in half from east to west. The majority of changes will take place within 24 hours, but aftershocks from the quake will continue to rattle the region for 7 months.

The force of the water cascading from north to south during the birthing of the initial rift will lay the foundations for diverse topography and landscapes along the newly birthed shoreline.  Inland Tsunami And Displacements Of Rivers And Lakes

[by Sabertooth] OK, get out your tinfoil... I've seen charlatan prophets in person and on TV, and I don't know anything at all about the guy who wrote this. I don't claim any prophetic gift for myself, but I'm struck by the paragraphs above, because I've had basically the exact same dream. I'll post it here for your amusement, snearing, edification or enjoyment.

First, let me give you a little background. I live in Sheman Oaks, in Los Angeles, which was one of the areas hit worst in the '94 Northridge Quake. My apartment was no exception... my kitchen cabinets came off the walls, my furniture was tossed around like toys, and the building cracked in half by 1" to 6" along the wall against which my headboard was. I'd dived under a table in the living room, where my aquariums were falling down (note to self: hallway next time). One glass tank came off a 30" stand and landed upright, unbroken, six feet away. There was so much up and down motion that it landed on the floor just right.

Needless to say, I've never been more freaking scared in my life... the building sounded like it was coming down. Fortunately, it didn't, but it was uninhabitable. Then the aftershocks. Since we'd had the back-to-back Landers and Big Bear 7.0 quakes a couple of years before, and a lot of the Northridge aftershocks were in the 5 to 5.5 range, I was running to stand in doorways for days. Even now, though the shock has mostly worn off, I find I'm more alert to smaller quakes, or even the vibration of a large truck passing by outside.

Anyway, that Northridge Quake occurred January 17th, 1994. Exactly one year later, there was another devastating quake in Kobe, Japan, in the early morning of January 17, 1995. That was more than a little eerie to those of us who'd been hit hard by Northridge. There were still a lot of condemned buildings around  Sherman Oaks even then (and later). Still, coincidences happen, so we shrugged it off, or at least I did...

Until the night of January 16th, 1996. I remember joking with friends that day about the earthquake that was gonna hit the next morning, grim humor kinda stuff. No big deal.

But that night I had a dream, incredibly vivid. There was another January 17th earthquake, more powerful than the 6.8 of Northridge. While Sherman Oaks wasn't hit badly, other parts of Los Angles, like downtown, were a ruin. Thousands were dead.

In the dream, I remember going to pick up a newspaper, expecting to see details of the quake. But the wreckage of Los Angeles was just a sidebar to the big story...

A colossal, unimaginable earthquake had struck the Mississippi Valley region, changing the coastlines. There was a map which I can still see in my mind. From eastern Texas to Alabama, and north toward Ohio and Kentucky, the entire geography was changed, mostly covered by water, as the Gulf of Mexico had grown upward into the Central Unitied States. Arkansas and Missouri were among the States completely submerged, just as in the article above, This was not a floodplain, where the water was expected to run off... there had been a massive and permanent subsidence of the land throughout the entire region.  Tens of millions were dead. The Great Lakes too, were moved around, and shaped differently, just as in the dream at the top of this thread.

The Earthquake was felt throughout the United States, but the devastation was worst east of the Rockies, especially in the Mississippi Valley region. I don't recall how bad things were on the Eastern Seaboard, but the West Coast got off relatively easily.

I remember waking up the the next morning, January 17th, shaking and sweating. The dream had been so vivid, I wasn't sure it hadn't really happened. I had to turn on the radio, and even walk down to the newsstand to convince myself it was a dream... which of course, it was.

I chalked it up to the anniverserary of the experience I'd had two years before, but I also recall to this day the feeling that if I ever did have a dream that was a premonition, that was it.

Actually, that's not entirely true. A few years earlier, just before signing the final papers for my divorce, I'd had a dream where my now-ex-wife and I were confronted by a chubby, balding, brown-haired guy with glasses and one of those yellow polo shirts with the little penguin on the chest. Didn't seem like a terribly significant dream, but a few days later she and I went out to dinner to sign the papers. As we were being seated, we passed a table with a family, and the father was "a chubby, balding, brown-haired guy with glasses and one of those yellow polo shirts with the little penguin on the chest." The exact guy from my dream... I'd never seen him before that.

So anyway, I just thought I'd share my little X-File with all of you. Have fun.


 

 118  posted on 8/19/02 7:03 PM Pacific by Sabertooth


111 posted on 09/04/2002 6:19:57 PM PDT by 2sheep
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